So I finally found the Bluray sales for ST09..wow..

[RAMA]

I knew they were good, but ST09's DVD sales were so high I didn't expect them to be THIS good. It is the 3rd best selling bluray in the United States ever. It has sold 3,878,678 units on bluray for and additional $84,732,687 to ST09's $102 milion from DVD. I originally speculated it was in the $30-40 million range...I was way off. So from just BO gross and DVD-Bluray, ST09 has made $594 million in adjusted dollars. I'm thinking STID will probably do as well.

http://www.the-numbers.com/alltime-bluray-sales-chart

 

[jimbotron]

More than double the amount sold for Star Wars? A lot of fans have refused to buy that because it doesn't have the originals. I imagine STID will not be as successful as ST'09 in light of Paramount/Bad Robot's latest tactics.

Also, there's a caveat to that list. It only captures sales from July 2009 onward. It's missing the first 7 months of sales for The Dark Knight, yet it's at 2.6 million. That's probably the true #1, making Star Trek #4.

 

[Devon]

I imagine STID will not be as successful as ST'09 in light of Paramount/Bad Robot's latest tactics.

If STID is not as successful it won't be because of that. People at large are buying the DVD/Blu-Ray to watch the film, not because they are dying to see the Behind-the-Scenes look at Benedict Cumberbatch's hairdo.

 

[MacLeod]

I knew they were good, but ST09's DVD sales were so high I didn't expect them to be THIS good. It is the 3rd best selling bluray in the United States ever. It has sold 3,878,678 units on bluray for and additional $84,732,687 to ST09's $102 milion from DVD. I originally speculated it was in the $30-40 million range...I was way off. So from just BO gross and DVD-Bluray, ST09 has made $594 million in adjusted dollars. I'm thinking STID will probably do as well.

http://www.the-numbers.com/alltime-bluray-sales-chart

Won't it be more than US$594m that when you factor in. Global blu-ray sales. Not to mention DVD sales?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Does that account for digital sales?

 

[Flake]

Very impressive.

You can't put a negative spin on that, it is a great achievement by Star Trek

 

[jimbotron]

Does that account for digital sales?

It appears to be Blu-ray sales only.

 

[Borgminister]

Ah, but did the movie turn a profit?

 

[BillJ]

Ah, but did the movie turn a profit?

Nope and neither will Into Darkness. Rick Berman is sitting by his phone, waiting for the call to swoop in and save the day!

 

[trekker670]

Ah, but did the movie turn a profit?

Nope and neither will Into Darkness. Rick Berman is sitting by his phone, waiting for the call to swoop in and save the day!

Is this a joke or am I missing something? According to this both ST09 and STID approximately doubled their budget in the box office (not including DVD/BR sales). Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office, but it would appear they would still made money. Admittedly, the profit margin is likely less than the other movies (with the exception of Nemesis), but I would hardly say the last two films were unsuccessful.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Ah, but did the movie turn a profit?

Nope and neither will Into Darkness. Rick Berman is sitting by his phone, waiting for the call to swoop in and save the day!

Is this a joke or am I missing something? According to this both ST09 and STID approximately doubled their budget in the box office (not including DVD/BR sales). Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office, but it would appear they would still made money. Admittedly, the profit margin is likely less than the other movies (with the exception of Nemesis), but I would hardly say the last two films were unsuccessful.

It was a joke, Cupcake

 

[BillJ]

Ah, but did the movie turn a profit?

Nope and neither will Into Darkness. Rick Berman is sitting by his phone, waiting for the call to swoop in and save the day!

Is this a joke or am I missing something? According to this both ST09 and STID approximately doubled their budget in the box office (not including DVD/BR sales). Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office, but it would appear they would still made money. Admittedly, the profit margin is likely less than the other movies (with the exception of Nemesis), but I would hardly say the last two films were unsuccessful.

It was a joke.

But it's okay, sometimes the jokes here whoosh right over my head as well.

 

[trekker670]

I figured as much, but I've heard others mention on other sites that STID was a failure, both in terms of content and budget, often stating the the bluray sales need to be good in order for the studio to break even.

When I looked at the numbers, I was quite surprised that most of the Trek films tripled their budgets, whereas the last two barely doubled.

 

[BillJ]

I figured as much, but I've heard others mention on other sites that STID was a failure, both in terms of content and budget, often stating the the bluray sales need to be good in order for the studio to break even.

When I looked at the numbers, I was quite surprised that most of the Trek films tripled their budgets, whereas the last two barely doubled.

From a money standpoint, the film did under-perform (I think it comes down to a very poor marketing effort). But if you go to a site like Rotten Tomatoes, you'll see that it was a critical success and liked by the vast majority of those who voted (around 250,000 people last I checked).

As far as doubling- or tripling- the budget, it is just a different economic model now. If you play in the summer you're going to go up against many other big-budget, high profile films and the time you're spending in the theaters continues to shrink. Star Trek Into Darkness was preceded two weeks earlier by Iron Man 3 and had Fast and Furious 6 release a week later.

Crowded box-office plus poor marketing equals a film that didn't do as well at the cinema as it should have. At least in my opinion.

 

[Devon]

I figured as much, but I've heard others mention on other sites that STID was a failure, both in terms of content and budget,

Not in the slightest.

 

[Konata Izumi]

Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office.

What's the deal with theater/distributor cuts? I heard they don't get much, and rely on snack sales, but you'd think it's still a significant cost. While supposedly the marketing budgets can be close to the size of production budgets. Yet doubling the production budget is considered a financial success? Sounds like in a way blockbusters are made for dvd lol.

Of course some get closer to tripling the production budget (I thought the new Treks did this), or more.

 

[trekker670]

Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office.

What's the deal with theater/distributor cuts? I heard they don't get much, and rely on snack sales, but you'd think it's still a significant cost. While supposedly the marketing budgets can be close to the size of production budgets. Yet doubling the production budget is considered a financial success? Sounds like in a way blockbusters are made for dvd lol.

Of course some get closer to tripling the production budget (I thought the new Treks did this), or more.

This article explains the theater's cut of the ticket sales: http://themovieblog.com/2007/econom...e-the-money-goes-and-why-it-costs-us-so-much/

In short, the amount varies by movie and how long the movie has been out.


If you look at the link I posted previously, it shows the production budget and box office sales for each movie.

 

[bbailey861]

Those numbers are pretty remarkable. You would think that the studios would be broadcasting those numbers as much as they do the box office totals every week. Is there somewhere on the net that collectively discusses actual Blu-ray/DVD sales?

 

[thumbtack]

Those numbers are pretty remarkable. You would think that the studios would be broadcasting those numbers as much as they do the box office totals every week. Is there somewhere on the net that collectively discusses actual Blu-ray/DVD sales?

You do get some mention of those numbers if you own stock in the parent company of whichever studio, but it's almost like the trades forget a movie ever existed once it leaves theaters.

 

[Cicero]

I figured as much, but I've heard others mention on other sites that STID was a failure, both in terms of content and budget,

Not in the slightest.

Well, perhaps about that much (saying nothing about content):

Summer 2013: Winners and Losers (Box Office Mojo)

Star Trek Into Darkness: The 2009 Star Trek reboot is one of the most well-liked Summer movies of the past decade, so there was an assumption that sequel Star Trek Into Darkness was going to improve dramatically on its predecessor. That didn't really pan out: the movie earned a bit less at the domestic box office (around $230 million), and its overseas gains weren't quite as big as expected. Ultimately, Star Trek Into Darkness will earn less than $500 million worldwide, which is slightly disappointing.