• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

So how would YOU portray vampires?

Argus Skyhawk

Commodore
Commodore
Every take on vampires seems to accept many of the vampire traditions, but rejects one or two others. For instance, Whedonverse vampires don't seem bothered by garlic (unless I'm misremembering), Anne Rice vampires can see their own reflections, and I hear that Twilight vampires can walk around in daylight.

How would you show vampires if it were up to you? I've heard that in older vampire traditions, the substance of silver seemed to disagree with them. They could not see their own reflections because most mirrors back then were made with silver. I rather like the idea of using that. My vampires would have visible reflections most of the time since modern mirrors don't use silver, but you could determine if someone was a vampire if you kept a small silver-backed mirror with you.

The idea that silver bothers vampires was also used in the Ray Bradbury short story "The Man Upstairs" in which a boy kills a vampire by cutting the vamp open while he is sleeping and dumping a load of silver coins into his abdomen. Yeah, I like this silver-bothers-vamps idea.

I also like the idea of vampires bursting into flame in direct sunlight. My vampires would be able to walk around outside during the day, but only if it was cloudy or they stayed in the shade.

As for Dracula's abilities to turn into a bat, a wolf, or a mist that can enter a room through a keyhole, I like those but I would probably make them rare gifts; a few vampires would be able to do one or more of those things but most would not. Perhaps a few would have other magic talents as well, such as being able to fly or see the future.

I know this is not part of the tradition, but I've toyed with the idea that in addition to exchanging blood with a vampire, you can't completely be converted into a vampire until you kill someone. Was that done in The Lost Boys? It seems like it, but again I may be misremembering. Anyway, the idea is that most vampires would, of course, be evil, (after all, they committed murder to become what they are) but a few would be good ones got converted by getting vamped as they were either fighting in a war or taking revenge upon someone who truly deserved it. The good vamps would have those deaths on their consciences, making their characters hopefully more interesting.

I imagined at one point a foursome of good vampires, one who lives off animal blood from a local butcher, one who is a former detective who tracks down murderers and lives off their blood, one who lives off monthly donations from a very generous group of nonvamp friends who know about his condition and sympathize, and one who works at a blood bank and secretly takes blood from there. I would probably have to abandon the blood bank idea since I stole it from Tales From the Crypt.
 
They could not see their own reflections because most mirrors back then were made with silver.

Actually it's because of the old saying that the mirror reflects the soul. No soul, no reflection.

So technically, Angel should have a reflection. Which would explain his hair.
 
If I were to do it, I'd address the impact on society more than the vampires themselves. The most important thing would be the complete and total lack of a Masquarade. It's implausible fairly silly in the modern era. Instead the existence of vampires will be common knowledge and will always have been common knowledge. Vampires would have been one of the groups persecuted by the Nazis, and by Stalin, and by despotic regimes across the globe. Some vampires would have marched with Dr. King in the name of civil rights and equality. Others would have engaged in criminal activity and terrorism against an unjust system.

The existence of vampires would have also strongly impacted science and technology. Scientists aren't simply going to accept that supernatural powers are magic and be done with it. They're going to quantify, qualify, understand, and explain them. They're going to reproduce them, harness them, and enhance them. It would be very interesting, all things being equal.

It would either be an serious exploration of how the confirmed presence and measurable of the supernatural influences the development of modern society, or a good excuse for the USA and Russia to have magical FTL spacecraft in the 60s. (The protagonist of the latter would, of course, be a vampire Kirk).
 
Reject:

-- Immortality/unnatural lifespans. With the rare, rare, RARE, cases I wouldn't have a vamp have a life span much longer than a average human (says early 100s) and-- unless they had medical/medicinal intervention their bodies would age at a normal rate.

-- Animorphing (not turning into bats, wolves, whatever)

-- No flying/teleporting/superspeed what have you

-- No reflection, yes they would have a reflection

-- Regeneration/Regeneration after drinking blood. (give them some regeneration power by virtue of being undead, but not unlimited)

Keep:

-- Garlic (Garlic lowers blood pressure, so it'd make sense that for a vampire-- which is basically a zombie-- that'd be a bad thing.

-- Cruicifix/Holy symbols (but make it more a psychological repulsion that can be overcome)

-- Stake through the heart (hell that'd anyone)

-- Sunlight keep it

Not sure:

-- Ability to hypnotize victims. I'd have to come up with a real world reason why'd work.

-- Vampire's bite can make you a vamp. Unless Vampireism [sic] was viral, then no you'd just be dead/in a bad way depending on how much blood was taken. And no coming back after you'r stone cold dead.

-- Various supernatural elements-- devil, demons, ghosts, those sort of things-- would have to be taken on a case by case basis.

If I were to do it, I'd address the impact on society more than the vampires themselves. The most important thing would be the complete and total lack of a Masquarade. It's implausible fairly silly in the modern era. Instead the existence of vampires will be common knowledge and will always have been common knowledge. Vampires would have been one of the groups persecuted by the Nazis, and by Stalin, and by despotic regimes across the globe. Some vampires would have marched with Dr. King in the name of civil rights and equality. Others would have engaged in criminal activity and terrorism against an unjust system.

The existence of vampires would have also strongly impacted science and technology. Scientists aren't simply going to accept that supernatural powers are magic and be done with it. They're going to quantify, qualify, understand, and explain them. They're going to reproduce them, harness them, and enhance them. It would be very interesting, all things being equal.

It would either be an serious exploration of how the confirmed presence and measurable of the supernatural influences the development of modern society, or a good excuse for the USA and Russia to have magical FTL spacecraft in the 60s. (The protagonist of the latter would, of course, be a vampire Kirk).

I was in a writer's group in the 90s and pitched an ideal similar to this to the group: What if out of WWI / WWII Vampires were revealed to the world; I'll have to get into the notes some day, but I think the original ideal was that Vampires were a byproduct of the Nazis fucking around with bioweapons.
 
Anyone read Charlie Huston's vampire books?

I really like the way he sets up his Vampyres. Basically confining them to the biggest cities in the world where they can blend in and find the human blood they need to keep going, about a pint a week or something. And he doesn't wimp out and make animal blood an acceptable substitute. That has to be one of the lamest things about some vampire interpretations.
 
Been sitting here for a half-hour trying to remember the name of the book or the writer than I read a few years back that had Vampires where it wasn't just a matter of drinking blood but finding a blood-type that was same as theirs in life or Type-O, which lead to a sort of population control among Vampires. I'm probably butchering the plot point and leaving something out.
 
I'd have vampires as decadent, effete, promiscuous (blood-wise) gentlemen in old families; drolly educated wits who tend to be the end of the line. Befitting their inhuman nature they are completely incapable of empathy and only do things for their own frittering amusement. In a sense they're everything that's stereotypially wrong or interesting about a landed gentry, and the vampirism of any given gentry is something incipient on their decay and eventual fall. Probably focus on a tempestuous romance between an elder gentleman of such a house (likely a fictive Anglo-Irish clan that lives in shadows and never left) and his romance/education/bloodletting of a young boy. Come third act they are slain by moralists who do not approve of them feeding on infants; fin.

Either that or vampires who look like Nosferatu and have all the horrific ur-world nature of a Lovecraftian god. Whatever I'm in the mood for.
and I hear that Twilight vampires can walk around in daylight.
Bram Stoker's Dracula could walk around in daylight. He just couldn't use his vampire powers then.
 
Have Vampirism be a side effect of a isolated evolutionary/adaption process. A isolated tribe of humans that were forced into Cannibalism and their bodies developed a need for a protein or enzyme that they have to have only from human blood.
 
I have an idea for a vampire story, in fact it may be what I write after the current book I'm working on, but I'm not going to go into it here. :shifty:
 
No super speed, that's gotta be the overpowering addition to any vampire lore.

No shapeshifting with massive mass changes. No 200 lb. guy becoming a 1 pound bat.

Keep garlic as a deterrent, not fatal.

Keep, must be invited into a home. It's corny, but there has to be a reason why vampires don't kill people in their homes every night.
 
Id love a tv series that explores a family where they have one member that has been a vampire for years(decades) and he keeps getting "passed along" from generation to generation. He's like the weird mysterious uncle and only the older members know what he really is, the younger ones find out when they get older too. He'd live on his own but be very close to his other family members, it would be sad b/c he'd see everyone age and die off but he'd also be like their protector. :(
 
You know, the vampire eps in Super Friends get a lot of flak for using essentially magic beams instead of bites, but I have to admit I rather liked that effect in "Voodoo Vampire." It was a nice difference from biting, and it's no sillier than anything else that was common. Gotta love that self-landing plane though. :lol:

Regarding some of the traditional vampire abilities:

Keep (potentially):

- Immortality and some basic characteristics - enhanced strength and senses, hypnotism etc. I'd think some abilities like hypnotism might vary by individual, and would be stronger in certain advanced vampires.

- Minor shapeshifting - bats and mist, maybe wolves. No other forms. I'd keep this only for a bit of flavor.

- Vampires don't cast shadows, but can see their own reflections (mortals can't). My vampires wouldn't necessarily be soulless, but the vampirism is essentially a corruption of the original person, hence why they can see their own reflections. It's kind of like the process strips away the good stuff and leaves them morally askew.

- Vulnerability to sunlight naturally, but can be mitigated by weather and most of the same things that work for mortals. One thought I've had is that a few rare vamps might have the ability to subtly influence the weather, increasing the lack of sun so it's easier to have minions. It's not direct control, but is something unnatural.

- Vulnerability to stuff like garlic and crosses could I guess just be subjective, as it's certainly possible that if Hollywood invented some traditional "weaknesses" they'd play along to make people underestimate them. They still need to be invited indoors though.

- I'd also had the thought of another rare vamp ability. In fiction there are undead called liches, who have used magic to unnaturally extend their original life spans. They rely on a receptacle, a phylactery, to house their essence if their physical body should be destroyed. I think it might be interesting if a few vampire lords had something similar, which could house their spirit as a last failsafe. It could be a piece of jewelry, and when someone unwittingly wears it the vampire can possess them and turn them evil. Note that it's not quite the same as getting a new body, as the host would probably be vamped and become a new lord, but would have the original vampire's skills to draw on. So it's a way for that lord to survive in an altered state.
 
I guess I can't fault Super Friends for such a laughable portrayal of vampires. It's not like a children's cartoon show could ever actually show the biting. But come on, LASER BEAMS? Why even bother with vamps in the first place if they have to stoop that low? :guffaw:

The 70's Buck Rogers series had a genuinely scary vampire episode. And without lasers. :p
 
Not at all, to be honest. :lol: I'm sorry, but vampires bore me to tears. I've never understood their appeal, nor those of zombies, werewolves or any other "undead". I don't think I've ever found any vampire story interesting.
 
You know, the vampire eps in Super Friends get a lot of flak for using essentially magic beams instead of bites, but I have to admit I rather liked that effect in "Voodoo Vampire."

Ah yes, that episode was even funnier. Despite appearances, it had very little to do with vampires OR voodoo! :lol:

Vampires with fricken' laser beams out of their fricken' fangs (or, in the other episode, their eyes) just aren't vampires.
 
It might have been better if Vampyress actually tried to take over the world, instead of just randomly vamping heroes and then going back to her crypt. :lol:

Vampires are demons, not people sitting around in Victorian gowns & Edwardian coats, sipping wine.

This is what Vampires should be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIbJ2rQ59ZE

* shrugs * I'll admit, I've never really liked the idea of vamps being demons. I think they should be a more unique monster, but that's just me. It just seems sort of like a cop-out.
 
I like the notions in Kim Newman's "Anno Dracula" books - where vampires have different bloodlines with different effects.

For example, vampires of the Dracula bloodline can shapeshift, but it takes great care and practice - the downside being some really unfortunate side effects.

Another bloodline can regenerate almost completely, while another doesn't have any powers at all.

And after a few decades all vampires become strong enough to cope with sunlight, though they don't like it.

Interesting books, really - kind of alternate history seasoned by a touch of "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen".
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top