So how does lil' ben... <Spoilers>
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Good catch, that scene alone definitely points to young Ben surviving, otherwise why would they set that up?
Personally I think he'll be saved by Jack or Juliette. It'll leave enough questions as to whether the island actually heals people or not. Also Sayid doesn't kill Ben with much certainty. We just see a hole in Ben's chest and Ben falling to the ground, then Sayid just walks away without even checking. The assassin Sayid probably should have plugged him in the back of the head a couple of times to be sure if he was still in full assassin mode.
I thought that was a very interesting aspect as well. Who knows what Ben was thinking when he heard that conversation. It must have been confusing. Since he was still looking forward to leaving with Sayid after he took out Jin, I'm guessing that Ben probably assumed Jin was another Hostile working within Dharma, or at least friendly to their cause.
Was I the only person who thought Sayid had killed Jin during their tussle at the end of the episode? (right before he shot gentle Ben) 
I think Juliet tries to save him - that's where his obsession with her comes from - and she will fail. But the Island will resurrect him, solidifying his obsession with the Island.
And yeah I was shocked too that Sayid would shoot the kid. Even given the whole "kill Hitler as a child" notion, that's pretty harsh. Maybe the drugs were still frakking with his brain. He followed his "honest reaction" - in line with the truth serum - but didn't finish Ben off with a shot to the head like he would have if he really meant it.
And yeah I was shocked too that Sayid would shoot the kid. Even given the whole "kill Hitler as a child" notion, that's pretty harsh. Maybe the drugs were still frakking with his brain. He followed his "honest reaction" - in line with the truth serum - but didn't finish Ben off with a shot to the head like he would have if he really meant it.
"I'll make him do it the same way I make anyone do anything, I find out what they are invested in and then I exploit it.'
Only a fool wouldn't figure out that Ben killed Natasha.
Besides you can't change the past. Well, no one but Desmond, so being shot by some one that he trusted in, had faith in, and betrayed him, is what has always turned turned him nito a complete bastard.
Only a fool wouldn't figure out that Ben killed Natasha.
Besides you can't change the past. Well, no one but Desmond, so being shot by some one that he trusted in, had faith in, and betrayed him, is what has always turned turned him nito a complete bastard.
Or a red herring.
I seem to remember the first time Ben as Henry Gale saw Sayid in season 2, his jaw nearly dropped he was so taken aback. He recognized him. It also helps to explain why the first thing Ben does when he gets off the island is track down Sayid. I'm going to go with what Farraday says: all of this actually happened in the island's past.
Okay, I've got it. There's this really old horror movie -- cam't remember the name of it -- that begins with two young twins, one boy one girl. One of them is killed in a boating accident. Flash forward ten or so years later, when the surviving twin, the girl, is at summer camp. Strange things begin to happen. Camp counselors and kids begin dropping like flies. In the end, we find out the truth -- the surviving twin was the boy, but his grandma who raised him was so distraught at the death of her granddaughter, she began dressing him in girl's clothes. He took on the identity of his sister, and was so screwed up in the head he became a cold-blooded murderer.
Just consider it for a moment -- young Ben is dead. Old Ben is actually... his little girlfriend Annie!
Just consider it for a moment -- young Ben is dead. Old Ben is actually... his little girlfriend Annie!
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again!
No he didn't.
I know this is true because TPTB have already gone on record as saying that Ben's character was only originally supposed to be in three episodes. So they couldn't have been planning this way back then, since Ben wasn't even "Ben" back then. This is just something they are making up as they go along.
Heck, back in season two TPTB swore up and down that time travel had nothing to do with the mythology/story arc of Lost and that when we finally got the answers to everything time travel, purgatory, heaven, hell, etc... would not have anything to do with it.
They have obviously changed their minds... But that doesn't change the fact that they had no idea at the time that Sayid would go back in time and shoot young Ben in the chest.
Not according to Damon on the season three commentary for the episode "Man Behind the Curtain." He and Carlton Cuse talked about the casting of Michael Emerson in season two. The specifically say they knew they were going to have our guys capture the leader of the others, but that we wouldn't know who he was until the end of the season. The reason they gave for casting him was that he had just been nominated for an emmy for playing a psycho and thought he'd be perfect for the role. Sounds like they had some idea for the direction of the character.
As for whether or not they had thought this far ahead, I really don't know. I just have this vague memory of Ben/Henry nearly sh*tting himself the first time he saw Sayid and I wondered back then what that was all about.
Midway season three, Michale said that he had met "a" John Locke many years before as his train of dialog was inturupted.
Then of course I laughed my ass off about the runway.
They have been planning this for a while.
Then of course I laughed my ass off about the runway.
They have been planning this for a while.
Michale? Do you mean Michael? Because Michael wasn't in Season 3, was he?
The Russian Cyclops. Machale. Well, close enough.
This makes the most sense.
Holy CRAP! I forgot all about that!
Ah frak, I don't like the notion that lil Ben got convenient soap opera amnesia. Does he "need" it for the story to make sense? I can't think of any place in the story where older Ben "should" have wanted to reveal he knew the Losties from before. It serves his purposes to keep them in the dark.
Also, the amnesia ruins the fun idea that Ben is obsessed with Juliet because she tried to save his life when he was 14.
Also, the amnesia ruins the fun idea that Ben is obsessed with Juliet because she tried to save his life when he was 14.
I should rewatch those episodes. I have the strong impression that Ben was acting very weird (so different for him, huh?), which could easily be explained by him recognizing all sorts of people but of course having zero motive to reveal anything.
I'll have to rewatch that part again, too, but the latest episode implies he didn't remember Sayid, so I guess we'll see.
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