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Those are five of the best seconds in a great movie, it was worth it in spades.
So does this mean we wont get the EXTENDED edition Blu-ray?
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Those are five of the best seconds in a great movie, it was worth it in spades.
From all the rumored scenes cut, it seems like a good 20+ minutes were cut (especially if you go by the novelization that at the very least hints at what scenes were in the script).
* Spock's birth
* Spock as a baby with Amanda and Sarek (seen in a trailer)
* Sarek and Amanda argue/discuss after Spock's bully incident
* Kirk faces his angry step-father (Greg Grunberg)
* Nero is captured by Klingons, spends 25 years at Rura Penthe and escapes (seen in the trailer)
* Kirk reprograms the Kobayashi Maru using Gaila's computer lab access
Those are the ones I remember.
* Spock's birth
* Spock as a baby with Amanda and Sarek (seen in a trailer)
* Sarek and Amanda argue/discuss after Spock's bully incident
* Kirk faces his angry step-father (Greg Grunberg)
* Nero is captured by Klingons, spends 25 years at Rura Penthe and escapes (seen in the trailer)
* Kirk reprograms the Kobayashi Maru using Gaila's computer lab access
Those are the ones I remember.
I was going to post that - great minds etc...
A new cut is never a guarantee of improvement. What interests me about the new cuts is not whether the film is any better, but how different they are (my primary research area is historical feature films, so I have an academic interest when such films are extensively re-worked--Kingdom of Heaven's Director's Cut was significantly different from the theatrical release as well. In that case, the longer cut was substantially better. For Alexander, neither the shorter, heavily re-ordered Director's Cut nor the quite longer, yet less different from the original Final Cut makes the film itself better. However, the editing choices do make for an interesting case of variations on a theme.)
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I know a lot of people feel that way, but I am STRONGLY against altering a film without its creator's approval. In Gladiator's extended cut DVD, Ridley Scott has a short intro where he says the extra footage was inserted because he thought it might be interesting to some (I don't find it substantially improves the film, though it doesn't detract too much either) but he does not consider it better than the original theatrical cut. On the other hand, with Kingdom of Heaven, he most certainly prefers the longer Director's Cut (has an intro for that as well on the DVD) and those additions make it a much more coherent and better film. I'm not certain that adding in the footage to Star Trek would do the same. Moreover, to be done well, it should be re-edited, not simply re-inserted. TMP had stuff just re-inserted and that did not help it--I'd argue it hurt it (the home video version and TV version of the 80s, not the recent Director's Cut). IF an "extended version" is made available, I really hope Abrams has something to do with it. Otherwise, I'd rather they leave cut scenes in the extras section.
The same was true of the international cut of Blade Runner (one of the five cuts in the full set), though PG-13 was not at issue then. Also applied to Eyes Wide Shut--Warner used digital effects to mask (very slightly extra) nudity for rather silly reasons, given it still had an R rating in the US.
If the director doesn't want to do an extended cut, they won't do one. The flow would be bad with some of the deleted scenes re-integrated, especially Spock's birth which in some ways would seem redundant if it was shown right after Kirk's birth, or vice versa.
I don't mind the deleted scenes in a SEPERATE version of the film, but in this case, it would be a mistake to change the opening of the movie (Kelvin/Kirk is Born).
Well, it would have gotten an NC-17 rating otherwise.
I want to see the deleted scenes. But I am perfectly okay with no extended edition. Scenes are often left out because they don't work or kill the pacing. I'm comfortable with that especially since Abrams seems to be.
Yes, but that begs two questions--was the extra nudity sufficient for such a rating? I have the international cut on HD DVD and I would have to say--not in a logical universe. Of course, the idiocy that is the MPAA system where violence is far less "offensive" than sexuality has always seemed irrational to me. The second question is--so what? NC-17 was intended to allow for films that should not have children watching them to escape the stigma of the X rating (which, originally, was intended for that as well until porn took over the rating). But, again, idiocy prevailed and Blockbuster refused to carry NC-17 rated films (never mind that they carry "unrated" films that would earn an NC-17 rating if the "unrated" cut had been released to theatres), sounding the death knell of the rating and leading to idiotic ideas like digitally hiding snippets of nudity in Eyes Wide Shut while leaving violence unchallenged in other films.
Thankfully, in Quebec we have far more rational ratings. Violence is more restricted than sexuality--so The Reader (which probably almost got an NC-17 in the US
) is rated 13+ in Quebec whereas the most recent Rambo was rated 18+ rather than the R it got in the US. Incidentally, while R ratings can be circumvented at the cinema by older siblings or parents, 13+, 16+ and 18+ cannot. So we don't have situations where irresponsible parents bring an 8 year old to see Sin City.
^I took "silly" to mean that you thought they were dumb to edit it.
I see you actually meant it was silly that they had to censor it in the first place...which I completely agree with. Censoring of sex is ridiculous in the US, whereas violence is AWESOME apparently.
The problem with NC-17 in the US is that besides Blockbuster, a lot of movie chains refuse to show movies with those ratings. I'm sure the reasoning is a combination of not earning enough money to justify it, and liability if underage patrons sneak into the showings.
I see you actually meant it was silly that they had to censor it in the first place...which I completely agree with. Censoring of sex is ridiculous in the US, whereas violence is AWESOME apparently.
The problem with NC-17 in the US is that besides Blockbuster, a lot of movie chains refuse to show movies with those ratings. I'm sure the reasoning is a combination of not earning enough money to justify it, and liability if underage patrons sneak into the showings.
My recollection (admittedly fuzzy) of the issue about Blockbuster is that it led the way to torpedoing the rating. Blockbuster, at the time, had well over 60 (possibly 70) percent of the video rental business and their refusal to carry NC-17 films meant that studios were very reluctant to be saddled with the label. Once Blockbuster opened that line of argument, some movie chains followed suit.
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More accurately, he deliberately wrote and filmed sequences he knew would only ever appear in a DVD Extended Edition because, as an avid fan of the relatively-new DVD medium, he wanted to explore what it would allow.
Yes, he considers both of them to be director's cuts. He didn't want people thinking the theatrical release was somehow not approved of by him.
Paramount will double dip Trek fans with 'Star Trek XI' around with 2014 with the standard Paramount 'special collectors edition'.
Look at the other Trek features and what was on the Nemesis DVD and the collectors edition DVD and you can expect similar treatment for the double dip.
Look at the other Trek features and what was on the Nemesis DVD and the collectors edition DVD and you can expect similar treatment for the double dip.
I'm a little disappointed at not seeing so much of this footage in the final cut. While the pacing of the version we got for the theaters is admittedly likely to be a large part of it's success as a movie, to me it hurt it's feel as a Trek movie. Seeing the birth of Spock, Kirk figuring out the KM simulator, and a massive loss for both audiences (Trek and general) was where the hell Nero was for 25 years.
I'll be buying this DVD because the theatrical cut is good enough to stand on it's own, but I'm still disappointed at not getting an extended cut and will gladly double dip down the road for one (which I'm sure Paramount was hoping to hear).
I'll be buying this DVD because the theatrical cut is good enough to stand on it's own, but I'm still disappointed at not getting an extended cut and will gladly double dip down the road for one (which I'm sure Paramount was hoping to hear).
special collectors edition
Star Trek XI November 2009 release will have
Since only 1 commentary is on the 3 editions of DVD/Blu-ray you can be assured that there will be another commentary track in the future with others who worked on this film or perhaps the actors themselves or else visual effects, Director of Photography, Production Designer
Star Trek XI November 2009 release will have
Since only 1 commentary is on the 3 editions of DVD/Blu-ray you can be assured that there will be another commentary track in the future with others who worked on this film or perhaps the actors themselves or else visual effects, Director of Photography, Production Designer
Having seen the press release from Paramount, it is now OFFICIAL that there will NOT be an "extended cut" of the film. The deleted scenes are all on the second disc of the two-disc DVD and three-disc Blu-ray (they are NOT included in the single disc release).
So, anyone who wants to have the deleted scenes, read the packaging and do not buy the single-disc edition.
So, anyone who wants to have the deleted scenes, read the packaging and do not buy the single-disc edition.
If studios don't revamp their products every few years, they fall into obscurity. Stores don't want old packaging sitting around gathering dust. Cover art design also changes with the times, and customers get jaded seeing old stock sitting around doing nothing.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with "double dipping", esp when/if it brings a new-and-improved product, thus renewing the life of a DVD product.
Paramount could bring out a handy-dandy four-disk ultimate version this year, with seamless branching to make four different film cuts, five celebrity commentary tracks, and endless bonus documentaries... but... then it would be swept away to total obscurity in a few years, and fans would be cursing Paramount for letting such a great movie vanish from commercial DVD catalogues.
"Double dipping" keeps DVDs alive and sale-able!