SNW uniforms and characters revealed (old and new)

[cooleddie74]

I mean Trek fans.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't find that to be the case. I think for example, Rogue One over at Star Wars is universally loved by all sides of Star Wars fandom, even those attached to the old EU/Legends universe that was abolished after the Disney buyout.

Loved? No. Especially since they did my man Kyle Katarn wrong

Are people seriously complaining about "small universe syndrome"? It's set on the same fucking ship as TOS.

Yes, I am. Starfleet should be bigger than just the characters we've seen on screen.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I don't find that to be the case. I think for example, Rogue One over at Star Wars is universally loved by all sides of Star Wars fandom, even those attached to the old EU/Legends universe that was abolished after the Disney buyout.

I've seen people tearing into Rogue One six ways from sunday on this very board.

 

[Iamnotspock]

If I'd just discovered Napoleon or Hitler in cryogenic storage and my first officer, communications officer, and a member of the ship's medical staff had all served with a descendant of theirs within the last decade, I'd think that'd at least be worth mentioning in passing, don't you?

KIRK: Are you sure, Spock?
SPOCK: Yes, Captain. It is most definitely him. Incidentally, Lt. Uhura and I served with one of his descendants during Captain Pike's command.
KIRK: Really? Is there anything you can tell me that would be helpful?
SPOCK: Negative. Lt. La'an was somewhat... embarrassed by her heritage.
(McCOY and SCOTTY enter)
KIRK: Ah, gentlemen, take a seat. Mr. Spock has determined the true identity of our guest. (Spock activates the monitor to reveal a picture of their guest) Name; Khan, as we know him today. (Spock changes the picture) Name, Khan Noonien Singh.
SPOCK: From 1992 through 1996, absolute ruler of more than a quarter of your world. From Asia through the Middle East.
MCCOY: The last of the tyrants to be overthrown.

 

[Mudd]

Loved? No. Especially since they did my man Kyle Katarn wrong

Yes, I am. Starfleet should be bigger than just the characters we've seen on screen.

It always "should" have been.

But we don't watch Starfleet. We watch Star Trek, which is about a few characters that the creators decide to depict. They're free to be as arbitrary about who they follow as they like.

 

[Mudd]

KIRK: Are you sure, Spock?
SPOCK: Yes, Captain. It is most definitely him. Incidentally, Lt. Uhura and I served with one of his descendants during Captain Pike's command.
KIRK: Really? Is there anything you can tell me that would be helpful?
SPOCK: Negative. Lt. La'an was somewhat... embarrassed by her heritage.
(McCOY and SCOTTY enter)
KIRK: Ah, gentlemen, take a seat. Mr. Spock has determined the true identity of our guest. (Spock activates the monitor to reveal a picture of their guest) Name; Khan, as we know him today. (Spock changes the picture) Name, Khan Noonien Singh.
SPOCK: From 1992 through 1996, absolute ruler of more than a quarter of your world. From Asia through the Middle East.
MCCOY: The last of the tyrants to be overthrown.

This works.

 

[Yistaan]

Mentioning Khan's descendant when Khan was onboard the Enterprise, actively hostile and looking for recruits, and has a superhuman ability that could possibly overcome any Enterprise communication security, is probably the last thing anyone on the Enterprise wants to do in Space Seed.

 

[Donald G]

With Paramount finally merged with CBS, bring on Sybok! At the end of Sybok's last appearance, Spock will gather M'Benga, Uhura, and Chapel and remind them never to tell anyone that he has a brother.

"Starfleet, per my recommendation, has classified the existence of my half-brother Sybok under penalty of treason. He has been exiled to a desert world at the junction of the Federation-Klingon-Romulan border that will in no way in a few years time be set up as some sort of experimental 'Planet of Galactic Peace.'"

 

[fireproof78]

I've seen people tearing into Rogue One six ways from sunday on this very board.

As it sometimes deserves. Perhaps not with the intensity that often happens with online discussions though

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The career paths of the Enterprise crew had diverged irreparably from what is plausible by the time of the third or fourth TOS-based movie - if that late.

After TMP, the secondary characters all should've moved on and be replaced with newer ones, sorta like the original plan for Trek II.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I hope it turns out that "Noonien-Singh" is just one of the most common last names on Earth, and that the original Khan Noonien Singh took after his namesake, Genghis, in reproducing with many, many women. Although he may have done so in a laboratory rather than a war camp.

 

[fireproof78]

I hope it turns out that "Noonien-Singh" is just one of the most common last names on Earth, and that the original Khan Noonien Singh took after his namesake, Genghis, in reproducing with many, many women. Although he may have done so in a laboratory rather than a war camp.

Well, records were fragmentary. Perhaps last names became less diverse for a time.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Doctor Piper? Old, white man. Doctor Boyce? Old, white man.

Give us Doctor Puri. And helmsman McKenna. And Chief Engineer Olson.

 

[cooleddie74]

They did. In 2009.

If I remember correctly things didn't work out too hot for any of them.

 

[Commander Troi]

Strangely enough, tons of androids were running around, mostly of the Mudd variety, in the TOS timeframe and no one treated them like a big deal. Then suddenly in TNG everyone acts like they've never heard of an android before.

To be fair, most TOS-era androids could be destroyed by Kirk-logic. Data is a bit more advanced.

 

[C.E. Evans]

If I'd just discovered Napoleon or Hitler in cryogenic storage and my first officer, communications officer, and a member of the ship's medical staff had all served with a descendant of theirs within the last decade, I'd think that'd at least be worth mentioning in passing, don't you?

Not really. Kirk didn't initially know he had brought Khan aboard the Enterprise. The Botany Bay was an unregistered ship with no data on it, much less who was aboard. By the time Kirk and crew figured out who Khan was, the fact that a descendant of his had served on the Enterprise years ago, wouldn't be that terribly important. At best, it's trivia or something that was mentioned offscreen with no relevance to what was going on in "Space Seed."

KIRK: A descendant of yours once served on the ship years ago...
KHAN: How interesting...may I have some water?
(continues to quietly plan to take over the Enterprise)

 

[fireproof78]

Doctor Piper? Old, white man. Doctor Boyce? Old, white man.

Give us Doctor Puri. And helmsman McKenna. And Chief Engineer Olson.

Canon violation no doubt. But I would sensibly chuckle at their inclusion.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

A few random thoughts about this new Noonien Singh character, off the top of my head:

1. Will we get one (many) scenes where someone is upset with her, and shouts "LAAAAA'AAAAAAAAN!" ?
2. If she has a daughter, is her name Na'an? (or was that her mom? But we're forbidden to talk about her.)
3. I'll be here all week.

 

[Firebird]

Some fans will complain about anything.

As is tradition.

 

[Donald G]

They did. In 2009.

If I remember correctly things didn't work out too hot for any of them.

Didn't Olsen burn to a crisp swinging into the blast from Nero's mining platform? I'd say that was pretty hot.