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SMG to star in Buffy sequel series from Chloé Zhao

Buffy had one line of dialogue in the pilot. That's a choice.

I don't find that surprising at all, actually. After all, the series would have focused on the new Slayer, Nova. It's not that different from Star Trek: Prodigy not introducing Hologram Janeway until the end of episode 2, or Star Wars: Skeleton Crew not revealing Jude Law's character fully until the end of episode 2.

After all, in a serialized or semi-serialized narrative, you want to pace things out, not cram all the introductions into the first episode. Obviously the tag in the pilot was a teaser for the larger role Buffy would have played as the series went on.

And then there's the Harry Lime factor -- a story can be about a character even if the character is in only a few scenes, if the focus of the story is on how the other characters are influenced by that character's impact or legacy, or if their search for the character drives the story. Maybe this was called Buffy the Vampire Slayer: New Sunnydale because the idea of Buffy would have been a driving factor, perhaps as Nova searched for her and tried to solve the mystery of her disappearance, or found her and tried to convince her to get back into the life, or both. I see no reason this couldn't have worked. Back in the days of episodic TV, it was reasonable to expect a pilot to be typical of the overall whole, but in these serialized times, a premiere episode is nothing but a prologue, so we can't expect it to be a definitive sample of where the creators plan to take the storyline.
 
I saw a video today, where SMG came out and said the leaked script circulating isn't the actual script shot.

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Wow, $12 million for a pilot episode of a show like Buffy is extremely high. Now I understand more clearly why they canceled it. Spending that much money on a project that doesn’t require such a massive budget like Buffy doesn’t really make sense. There’s a similar situation with Peacock’s Ted series — they’re producing it with a budget of $8–10 million per episode. Of course, most of that money was going into Ted’s CGI. I wonder if a similar situation is happening here as well.
 
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Wow, $12 million for a pilot episode of a show like Buffy is extremely high. Now I understand more clearly why they canceled it. Spending that much money on a project that doesn’t require such a massive budget like Buffy doesn’t really make sense. There’s a similar situation with Peacock’s Ted series — they’re producing it with a budget of $8–10 million per episode. Of course, most of that money was going into Ted’s CGI. I wonder if a similar situation is happening here as well.

The pilot to Star Trek Voyager cost 23 million, because they had to build "the ship".

Subsequent episodes cost 3.3 million.
 
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I thought this show was gone way too far down the production line to be cancelled. Surprised they didn't take a punt on a known IP with a popular director and upcoming star attached.
 
I've seen quite a few people recently not knowing what a Pilot is. (not just in relation to this show.) Shows how the streaming years have changed things.

A lot of the time, "pilot" is used interchangeably with "premiere" even when it's just the first episode of a season that was bought up front and didn't have a pilot in the strict sense. So that confuses the issue.
 
There is no show too far down the line, only a pilot to sell a potential series.
I don't follow entertainment news all that deeply so from what I did see I just assumed that they were already shooting a season not just a pilot.

Lots of these revival shows don't even seem to have pilots from what I can see.
 
There is literally no point at which a show can't be cancelled, some don't get picked up after the pilot is shot, I think there was actually one show that was so bad that they stopped part way through the first episode's airing and never went back, some shows get cancelled after one or two episodes, and then you have shows like The Simpsons, that have run for 30+ years.
And my point is that there are many reasons why it can be right not to pick up a pilot. There are plenty of failed pilots out there, like "The Cage," that were good, but not good enough. The goal is to make the best show you possibly can, and the way you achieve that is through trial and error, through testing out multiple ideas and narrowing it down to (hopefully) the best ones. This is normal. It's the whole reason pilots are made, to try things out. It is not shameful to be less than perfect on your first attempt. It shouldn't be stigmatized or mocked. It's a healthy part of the process, a learning experience that can help you make your next attempt better.
I think you misunderstood me, I was not talking about the quality of the pilot, I was talking about how people are reacting to it being cancelled. When I made that post I hadn't hear anything about why it was cancelled. So I was thinking at the time that everybody was upset, but it sounded like nobody was considering the fact that maybe it didn't get picked up because it sucked, and Hulu made the right decision in not picking it up.
Reminds me of how we got the Michael Bay Transformers movies. The voice actor of the original cartoon series for Optimus Prime, long story short, got a call to audition. He found out -- his own words (from a convention) was that Michael knew nothing about the show (I don't have the video handy to a verbatim quote). then quickly added -- once he realized how that sounded -- that Bay was a "fast learner". People who know some, little, or nothing about projects having a say or making it. Sad.
Just because someone came into a project not knowing a lot about doesn't automatically mean it's going to be bad, just look at The Wrath of Kahn.
I dont know why so many productions make this mistake. They promise legacy characters and in this show actually call it ..Buffy The Vampire Slayer:New Sunnydale and then end up giving giving her 2 minutes of screen time in the pilot. Which I totally knew would happen after they mentioned her as just a recurring character.

Same thing that happened with the Star Wars Sequels. Put the original characters in there. Have them in for a few minutes or underutilize them and call it a day thus pissing off fans. Not that anyone should have expected them to feature more because it wasn't promised....but then why market it as the Skywalker Saga after the Last Jedi?? 😂

So many mistakes these producers do today with old franchises. Smh Not to say that some are not done well ( the second Tron and Blade runner seem to be well liked amongst fans and I thoroughly enjoyed both)
We got exactly the amount of Buffy I was expecting and the amount of the original Star Wars characters I was expecting in the sequel trilogy. The point of series like these is to introduce new characters, and they just bring in the original characters to give us a bit of familiarity. The focus was and should be on the new characters.
Things tend to go in cycles.

We had the Universal monsters in the 1930-40s, followed by the Hammer monsters in the 1960s-70s, then there were the Dracula and Frankenstein movies of the 1990s and the Mummy movies of the early 2000s.

King Kong in the 1930s begat Mighty Joe Young and The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms in the 1950s which gave rise to Godzilla then there was King Kong 1976.
And now we've got Blumhouse doing their versions of the Universal Monsters, with the Invisible Man, and Wolf Man. We also have The Bride!, but that's kind of it's own separate thing.
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Then the creators of this pilot should not have framed it as BTVS. Why even do that if the show is mainly about a new Slayer with a totally different name??
Because it still takes place in that world, and it was going to feature Buffy and other characters from the original show.
I don't find that surprising at all, actually. After all, the series would have focused on the new Slayer, Nova. It's not that different from Star Trek: Prodigy not introducing Hologram Janeway until the end of episode 2, or Star Wars: Skeleton Crew not revealing Jude Law's character fully until the end of episode 2.

After all, in a serialized or semi-serialized narrative, you want to pace things out, not cram all the introductions into the first episode. Obviously the tag in the pilot was a teaser for the larger role Buffy would have played as the series went on.

And then there's the Harry Lime factor -- a story can be about a character even if the character is in only a few scenes, if the focus of the story is on how the other characters are influenced by that character's impact or legacy, or if their search for the character drives the story. Maybe this was called Buffy the Vampire Slayer: New Sunnydale because the idea of Buffy would have been a driving factor, perhaps as Nova searched for her and tried to solve the mystery of her disappearance, or found her and tried to convince her to get back into the life, or both. I see no reason this couldn't have worked. Back in the days of episodic TV, it was reasonable to expect a pilot to be typical of the overall whole, but in these serialized times, a premiere episode is nothing but a prologue, so we can't expect it to be a definitive sample of where the creators plan to take the storyline.
Yeah, I think that's the main reason that they release 2 or 3 episodes the first week of a lot of weekly streaming series, because it takes that long to actually get to the main part of the story.
 
I don't follow entertainment news all that deeply so from what I did see I just assumed that they were already shooting a season not just a pilot.

Lots of these revival shows don't even seem to have pilots from what I can see.
Smg said during the filming of the pilot that the show had not been greenlit yet.
 
There is literally no point at which a show can't be cancelled, some don't get picked up after the pilot is shot, I think there was actually one show that was so bad that they stopped part way through the first episode's airing and never went back, some shows get cancelled after one or two episodes, and then you have shows like The Simpsons, that have run for 30+ years.

Well, it depends. Broadcast networks can pull a show off the air at any time, but syndicated shows are sold by the season, so the stations that carry them are obligated to air the entire season. At worst, if a show tanks in the ratings, they may move it to a late-night or weekend-afternoon time slot where it's out of the way, but they still have to show the episodes. At least, that's how it was in the heyday of first-run syndication.


I think you misunderstood me, I was not talking about the quality of the pilot, I was talking about how people are reacting to it being cancelled. When I made that post I hadn't hear anything about why it was cancelled. So I was thinking at the time that everybody was upset, but it sounded like nobody was considering the fact that maybe it didn't get picked up because it sucked, and Hulu made the right decision in not picking it up.

I don't need you to explain that it was a hypothetical; that was obvious all along. I wasn't talking about this specific pilot either, but making a generalized point about all pilots: that "sucking" is far from the only reason it can be right to reject a pilot. Many relatively good pilots just aren't good enough, or have flaws that keep them from quite working, like my example of "The Cage."

TV is a competitive business, because a lot of shows are trying to get into a finite number of slots. As with any other competition, it's not simply a matter of being good vs. being terrible, because even most of the good competitors are still going to lose to the best competitors. Heck, even getting your pilot filmed in the first place is tantamount to becoming a finalist, because you outcompeted all the other series pitches that never even got a pilot commissioned.



Just because someone came into a project not knowing a lot about doesn't automatically mean it's going to be bad, just look at The Wrath of Kahn.

Yes, because creators do research. If we don't know about our subject going in, we learn about it. It's no different from any other job training -- you learn the job before you do it. Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer weren't that familiar with Trek when they were hired, but they watched the entire series to get up to speed. Similarly, when I was hired to write a Spider-Man novel despite mostly only knowing the character from TV/film adaptations and recent comics, I read every Spidey comic I could find and read online articles about most of the ones I couldn't find, and my novel was praised for its detailed grasp of continuity. Also, when we don't know much about a subject, we can consult with experts who know more than we do, like how Keith DeCandido was my martial arts consultant for my Tangent Knights audionovels.


And the epsiode is sometimes even titled "Pilot"

More often than not, I'd say. And it's always annoyed me, since I feel every story should have a distinct title.
 
I wish I felt more sad about this. :|

He was the GoH at a convention I went to a few years ago...but that was after his personal life had become a matter of public record, and I didn't really feel comfortable approaching him.
I met him back in 2013, before a lot of stuff about him was known. I suppose I can hold onto that memory instead.
 
I wish I felt more sad about this. :|

He was the GoH at a convention I went to a few years ago...but that was after his personal life had become a matter of public record, and I didn't really feel comfortable approaching him.
I went to one panel with him back when he was still on Buffy in the 90s. He was a guest at a Doctor Who convention of all places.

I know nothing of his personal life.
 
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