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SMG to star in Buffy sequel series from Chloé Zhao

I would imagine a lot of the lack of enthusiasm was from the big change that Willow and Xander evidently were not going to be main cast members, that does seem pretty presumptuous for Gellar and Zhao to think they weren't, shouldn't be, don't need to be core parts of a new series, fans won't mind if they're just (maybe or probably brief) guest stars later on.

now i wonder if many thought that faith and dawn were gonna return for the reboot
 
But that doesn't explain why this new show didn't get approved?

Of course it doesn't. If it were possible to boil such things down to a single variable, then it would be easy to guarantee success. And it's ridiculous for people who haven't even seen the pilot to jump to conclusions about why it wasn't picked up. We have no possible way of knowing that, so it's pointless to speculate.
 
Of course it doesn't. If it were possible to boil such things down to a single variable, then it would be easy to guarantee success. And it's ridiculous for people who haven't even seen the pilot to jump to conclusions about why it wasn't picked up. We have no possible way of knowing that, so it's pointless to speculate.

Remember Jay Mohr's sitcom "Action" where he explains that he only green lights new projects that get his "dick hard" (actual quote) as that first time he saw Jane Fonda take her space suit off in Barbarella?
 
I'd definitely hope the pilot leaks just to see what it was envisioned and shown as because having seen most of Chloe Zhao's films I don't really see the 'vibe' of BTVS tv series fitting with anything that she's done professionally filmwise.
Yeah, that was one of the first thoughts I had when I heard she was the one doing this, she does seem like an odd fit for Buffy.
Joss had zero involvement in New Sunnydale.

People have just forgotten how TV production used to work.

Edit: The madness has escalated to the level of people suggesting the boycotting both Hulu and Disney+

The goal of a sequel or revival series is usually to appeal to a new audience, because the existing fanbase for an older show is never large enough to make a series successful by itself. (Even a new or current show requires both dedicated fans and casual viewers to add up to successful ratings.) So the primary focus should have been on the new characters, the teenagers who would appeal to the same demographic as the original show, with the older legacy characters being supporting players. My understanding is that Buffy's role would've been the equivalent of Giles, the mentor to the new Slayer who would have been the actual lead character. Presumably other legacy characters would've been guest stars from time to time, as is often the case in sequel series.
Hell even a lot of current popular shows with an active fan base can't get enough support to keep a spin-off with tons of crossing over with the parent show on the air.

I would kind of love to see this get released and have it be a complete trainwreck with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, just to show people that sometimes pilots aren't picked up for a good reason.
 
I would kind of love to see this get released and have it be a complete trainwreck with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, just to show people that sometimes pilots aren't picked up for a good reason.

Except it's possible for a pilot to be pretty good and still not quite work well enough to get picked up, because there are so many different variables that can come into play. I mean, look at Star Trek: "The Cage." It's a solid science fiction mini-movie in its own right, but its supporting characters are pretty bland and its actors a bit stiff, so it's understandable why NBC asked them to go back to the drawing board and change up the cast and characters. (Also, Roddenberry failed to deliver on the ethnically diverse cast they wanted, and cast his mistress in a lead role instead of a more prominent or experienced actress.)

Of course, another well-known factor is that it was just too elaborate a production, a feature-quality, pull-out-all-the-stops effort to prove that Desilu was capable of meeting the production demands of a science fiction series, so it didn't tell NBC what the budget and logistical demands of a typical episode would be so that they could estimate how much a full season would cost, which is one of the most important functions of a pilot. Sometimes the crucial factors are matters of business and practicality rather than matters of story or quality. The people who make and air shows have to base their decisions on factors that may never occur to us out here in the audience.
 
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So glad it's not going forward. Buffy and Angel don't need anymore episodes. Once I heard SMG was just a recurring character I totally lost interest. This is a good thing people. Most of these continuations 20 years after rarely work well. Though Cobra Kai was a rare exception .. 😂
 
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Gaa, established fanbases are so selfish. "If it isn't made for me, it shouldn't exist." Come on! We should be happy to see the next generation get a chance to fall in love with something the same way we did, instead of demanding that everything perpetually revolve around ourselves. Fandom is something to be shared, not hoarded.
 
Except it's possible for a pilot to be pretty good and still not quite work well enough to get picked up, because there are so many different variables that can come into play. I mean, look at Star Trek: "The Cage." It's a solid science fiction mini-movie in its own right, but its supporting characters are pretty bland and its actors a bit stiff, so it's understandable why NBC asked them to go back to the drawing board and change up the cast and characters. (Also, Roddenberry failed to deliver on the ethnically diverse cast they wanted, and cast his mistress in a lead role instead of a more prominent or experienced actress.)

Of course, another well-known factor is that it was just too elaborate a production, a feature-quality, pull-out-all-the-stops effort to prove that Desilu was capable of meeting the production demands of a science fiction series, so it didn't tell NBC what the budget and logistical demands of a typical episode would be so that they could estimate how much a full season would cost, which is one of the most important functions of a pilot. Sometimes the crucial factors are matters of business and practicality rather than matters of story or quality. The people who make and air shows have to base their decisions on factors that may never occur to us out here in the audience.
I know all of that, I'm just saying that I think it would be funny if after everybody lost their minds over it not getting picked up and treating like it was some horrible crime, if it turns out Hulu was actually right not to pick it up.
 
Come on! We should be happy to see the next generation get a chance to fall in love with something the same way we did, instead of demanding that everything perpetually revolve around ourselves. Fandom is something to be shared, not hoarded.
On the other hand, no one is stopping TNG from watching the original Buffy and Angel.

Gaa, established fanbases are so selfish.
Seems an oddly broad brush considering you're replying to one comment.
 
Gaa, established fanbases are so selfish. "If it isn't made for me, it shouldn't exist." Come on! We should be happy to see the next generation get a chance to fall in love with something the same way we did, instead of demanding that everything perpetually revolve around ourselves. Fandom is something to be shared, not hoarded.
That's not what's happening. You've got it entirely wrong.

Having SMG front something called BTVS without significant participation by many of the original creative staff or actors didn't promise much other than Zombie Buffy.

Sure, Chao is a good director. And...?

Her comments don't sound like the project was proceeding in an encouraging way. And that's not surprising either. None of the slim information that came out suggested much resonance with the Whedon series. Except, oh, SMG.
 
I know all of that, I'm just saying that I think it would be funny if after everybody lost their minds over it not getting picked up and treating like it was some horrible crime, if it turns out Hulu was actually right not to pick it up.

And my point is that there are many reasons why it can be right not to pick up a pilot. There are plenty of failed pilots out there, like "The Cage," that were good, but not good enough. The goal is to make the best show you possibly can, and the way you achieve that is through trial and error, through testing out multiple ideas and narrowing it down to (hopefully) the best ones. This is normal. It's the whole reason pilots are made, to try things out. It is not shameful to be less than perfect on your first attempt. It shouldn't be stigmatized or mocked. It's a healthy part of the process, a learning experience that can help you make your next attempt better.
 
Gaa, established fanbases are so selfish. "If it isn't made for me, it shouldn't exist." Come on! We should be happy to see the next generation get a chance to fall in love with something the same way we did, instead of demanding that everything perpetually revolve around ourselves. Fandom is something to be shared, not hoarded.

Never said it shouldn't exist. Just happy it's not gonna exist... 😂
 
Star Trek fan film director and pop culture pundit Robert Meyer Burnett on The Buffy reboot:"The Buffy reboot Pilot script was worse than the CLARICE pilot. No wonder this was scrapped."
 
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