Smash.

[CaptMurdock]

Dev and Ivy just happening to end up at the same bar? My eyeballs were rolling out of my head.

I don't think it "just happened." I think Ivy is taking revenge on Derek and Karen. Despite Karen's protests to the contrary, she doesn't believe Karen did not know about Derek and Rebecca. That, coupled with the ongoing rivalry (and why wasn't there any blowback from last week's little stunt with the text message?!?) was more than reason enough to try to hurt Karen.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

How did Ivy know that Dev would be in that particular bar? Was she following him and Karen while they had their big blow-up like a stalker?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wrong way around.

Dev knows who Ivy is, but Ivy is clueless.

(Just watched the scene again.)

Dev is sitting down drinking.

Ivy sits next to him, but in so that she's waiting for him to make the first move OR she was too involved to understand the planet is still populated with other human beings

they introduce themselves to each other with their real names, and Dev has this cat like "I'M REALLY TALL" expression with his face and he swallows some expression that wanted to surface...

Meanwhile in the "next week on smash" during the closing credits, we see that ivy is truly shocked to be introduced to Karen's boyfriend, and Dev has that R Kelly smooth as silk shit going on.

 

[CaptMurdock]

Wrong way around.

Dev knows who Ivy is, but Ivy is clueless.

(Just watched the scene again.)

Dev is sitting down drinking.

Ivy sits next to him, but in so that she's waiting for him to make the first move OR she was too involved to understand the planet is still populated with other human beings

they introduce themselves to each other with their real names, and Dev has this cat like "I'M REALLY TALL" expression with his face and he swallows some expression that wanted to surface...

Meanwhile in the "next week on smash" during the closing credits, we see that ivy is truly shocked to be introduced to Karen's boyfriend, and Dev has that R Kelly smooth as silk shit going on.

Really?? Would'a sworn that Ivy and Dev had met briefly before... Well, hardly be the first time that scenes existed entirely in my head.

(I see this series on Hulu, so I don't see the "next week" previews...)

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ivy hated Karen back when the Ensemble attacked her closet and Dev was in the background amused how the little people spend their time, which is the most obvious crossover between worlds.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Ah, so Dev was stalking Ivy - gotcha!

Wouldn't Ivy have noticed Dev when he made his big entrance into the party and threw a fit at Karen?

 

[Kestra]

I thought they knew each other's names, but hadn't met.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

^This. Karen has given Dev a ton of earfuls about Ivy, but he's never met her; and until this week's episode he hasn't been remotely near the production. Ivy knows Karen's got a boyfriend, but doesn't know (or heard and doesn't remember) his name.

Mark

 

[Guy Gardener]

Earfuls?

Ivy made karen cry herself to sleep.

If Karen wasn't so hayseed, i could only imagine the sex games she could make out to roll play herself into the heroine of the larger story which is kicking her ass.

Karen: "Okay Dev. Call me Ivy. I'm going to pretend be this blond little squat diva bitch and you're going to act like it's the worst sex of your life and complain the whole way though. keep calling me Ivy and keep telling me how Karen is so much better... 'Kay? Now take your clothes off it's go time."

 

[Temis the Vorta]

My take on that scene is that Ivy heard "Dev" and recognized his unusual name. She seemed to do a "oh yeah?" look right then. "Ivy" is also unusual, but I didn't see any recognition from Dev.

Karen should call Dev "Derek" during sex. That'll fix him, good!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Karen isn't cutting it as a hero.

If she's keeping Dev for any other reason than that he pays the rent, she needs to hand in her balls to the front office.

I was going to ask you if you were reading spoilers... When I remembered it's a fact, like magnetism or gravity are facts, that chicks dig jerks.

Although if Karen becomes his leading lady, Derek will be compelled to sleep with her because he's obsesses with the position more so that the person... You know like when you have a sex dream about Ronald MacDonald, it really doesn't matter if it was George Clooney under that fireengine red afro, because it's still Ronald Fucking MacDonald going to town in your business.

OH!

The big reveal on it's Always Sunny in Philadelphia!

That's fricking hilarious.

 

[Kestra]

My take on that scene is that Ivy heard "Dev" and recognized his unusual name. She seemed to do a "oh yeah?" look right then. "Ivy" is also unusual, but I didn't see any recognition from Dev.

Karen should call Dev "Derek" during sex. That'll fix him, good!

If he doesn't recognize the name "Ivy" then he would have had to never listened to a word Karen said.

I don't like any of the characters anymore.

 

[Guy Gardener]

His goal that night is to hurt Karen.

To make her feel what he's feeling.

If she didn't care about these feeling in him fucking his guts up, then fuck her, maybe she'd care if she was going through the same hell.

A hell shared is a hell doubled.

He knew how to kickstart that ^%$#*'s empathy.

kissing that politician groupie didn't hurt our Star enough.

So Dev had best do more than kiss a girl to make Karen feel as betrayed as he feels

Dev thought he was going for a head shot with some random blond strange.

That head shot unwittingly became nuclear and Dev just went with it.

In for a penny, in for a pounding.

A penny for a pounding?

Hell!

I could afford that.

 

[Danny99]

A better written episode than we've had recently.

But why is Ivy still out to get Karen. They are on even footing, Derek would sleep with her over Karen. Why is she out to utterly destroy this girl?

Dev is a spineless worm. You have a fight with your girlfriend and you sleep with the first random blonde you run into in a bar? And then you try and hide it?

If this is curtains for Uma Thurman, good riddance. I prefer her in Kill Bill.

The writer's have overtaxed themselves by trying to give everyone a storyline and serve them each week, which means each one gets roughly ten seconds. It shows a complete lack of planning on their part.

 

[the G-man]

I happened to catch the last five minutes of this. Man, Uma's looking old...

 

[DigificWriter]

My sister's been watching the series, and, over the last two weeks, I've gotten sucked into it as well. After watching Episodes 13 and 14 with my sister, I found the first three episodes online and watched them last night and this morning, and am officially hooked.

The series is so very much like The West Wing and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip that they reallyought to go after Aaron Sorkin to replace the departing creator/showrunner.

The cast is phenomenal (and is actually the reason I sat down and watched episodes 13 and 14 alongside my sister before branching out to watch the first three episodes of the series on my own), and the juxtaposition of the characters' personal lives with the behind-the-scenes aspects of bringing Marilyn/Bombshell to life is superbly handled (IMO). Even the supporting characters' stories make sense within the larger narrative.

My favorite characters through the five episodes I've seen are, in no particular order, Eileen Rand, Julia Houston, Derek Wills, and Karen Cartwright, although there are truthfully things that I like about every single one of the characters. Even Ellis Boyd is interesting despite the fact that he's an a-hole.

Another thing I like about the series is is that its first two seasons are (or will be) only 15 episodes long. I think it's the perfect length for the story arcs that they're dealing with.

 

[Professor Zoom]

The series is so very much like The West Wing and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip that they reallyought to go after Aaron Sorkin to replace the departing creator/showrunner.

You cannot be serious. It's like the WEST WING? Maybe in some sort of alternative universe...

I'm sorry... I just... I'm having a hard time... The writing on this show is AWFUL. Even on Sorkin's WORST episodes of the West Wing it was still...

I don't think Sorkin would have anything to do with this. Besides he's got his own show over at HBO.

Anyway, expect the entire staff to be fired and a new one brought on board. The show is gonna change.

The cast is phenomenal (and is actually the reason I sat down and watched episodes 13 and 14 alongside my sister before branching out to watch the first three episodes of the series on my own), and the juxtaposition of the characters' personal lives with the behind-the-scenes aspects of bringing Marilyn/Bombshell to life is superbly handled (IMO). Even the supporting characters' stories make sense within the larger narrative.

I agree the cast is talented, but has for the most part been wasted. Though, I am beginning to question if Debra Messing is actually very good...

My favorite characters through the five episodes I've seen are, in no particular order, Eileen Rand, Julia Houston, Derek Wills, and Karen Cartwright, although there are truthfully things that I like about every single one of the characters. Even Ellis Boyd is interesting despite the fact that he's an a-hole.

Another thing I like about the series is is that its first two seasons are (or will be) only 15 episodes long. I think it's the perfect length for the story arcs that they're dealing with.

I shouldn't pick on you. You like the show. And that's good. There should be things one likes in the world.

 

[DigificWriter]

A better written episode than we've had recently.

But why is Ivy still out to get Karen. They are on even footing, Derek would sleep with her over Karen. Why is she out to utterly destroy this girl?

Dev is a spineless worm. You have a fight with your girlfriend and you sleep with the first random blonde you run into in a bar? And then you try and hide it?

If this is curtains for Uma Thurman, good riddance. I prefer her in Kill Bill.

The writer's have overtaxed themselves by trying to give everyone a storyline and serve them each week, which means each one gets roughly ten seconds. It shows a complete lack of planning on their part.

Based on the five episodes I've seen, I'm not getting an 'Ivy vs. Karen'/'Ivy's out to get Karen' vibe from things AT ALL. Even in the pilot and 'The Callback', when they're up for the same role, there's really nothing about the two characters that screams 'these two hate each other'.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Karen is the impetus of the weak will inherit the earth.

I'm amazed about how underplayed this peanut thing was.

though could ave bloated her face until it looked like that guy blowing up in Total recall, or just outright had her die... Seriously, imagine what a murder wood do for this show crossing over with both Law and Order and CSI as they compete to solve the murder in a murderoff.

 

[DigificWriter]

I just watched episode 4 and, for the first time, am somewhat disappointed in the writers because they tied to make Ivy behave like her catty chorus line/ensemble friends and it didn't feel 'real'. As I noted earlier, there's nothing in her behavior in the first three episodes - or, for that matter, in episodes 13 and 14 - that supports her being written like a Diva , so her behavior in episode 4 came out of nowhere and felt out-of-character.

I'm hoping things will even out in future eps because Ivy is an interesting character and I like her arc in episodes 13 and 14 and would hate for her character to suffer because of uneven writing.

I also started out having issues with the way Karen's ensemble mates tried to help her because, like Ivy's behavior, it felt false, but by the end of the ep, I'd completely changed my tune because the payoff was better than the setup and made the falseness of said setup disappear.

Aside from the gripe vis a vis Ivy's behavior, I liked episode 4 overall, especially since it starts to give us a better sense of why exactly Tom has issues with Derek beyond the two men having incompatible personalities.