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Skydance Productions, Bryan Singer and the new Trek series...

I've never been a fan of the "Star Trek: Federation" concept. Enough with trying to make "Star Trek" dark and gritty. If there is to be a new series, it should take its cues from the Abrams' movies and the original series: fun, adventurous and on the edge of the frontier with a lone starship exploring the depths of space.

I suspect that there's a grain of truth in that CBS wants a new Trek series, whether a streaming or broadcast show, especially now with the revival of "X-Files." I highly doubt it's that years-old concept by Singer, Burnett and McQuarrie. And quite frankly, Burnett is a blow hard. I'd rather he not have a hand in a new Trek show.

My speculation is that Orci could possible be involved as well as "Bad Robot."
 
Meh. The concept doesn't do it for me, and this rumor has been floating around for year now.

IMO, I'm not buying into anything untill CBS releases an official statement.
 
I've never been a fan of the "Star Trek: Federation" concept. Enough with trying to make "Star Trek" dark and gritty. If there is to be a new series, it should take its cues from the Abrams' movies and the original series: fun, adventurous and on the edge of the frontier with a lone starship exploring the depths of space.

Doesn't do it for me. That stuff's been done to death and to be frank, it bores me to tears.

I really can't see them doing the TOS reboot thing again, which gives me hope for Singers Federation pitch.

One question - if Federation's set that far in the future, could it work as both a prime and JJ trek sequel ? Could they solve the Romuls / Vulcan issue ?
 
If the bit about Kirk and crew being in it are true, could that mean an animated series is in the works? Itill have doubts about the whole story though.
 
I've never been a fan of the "Star Trek: Federation" concept. Enough with trying to make "Star Trek" dark and gritty. If there is to be a new series, it should take its cues from the Abrams' movies and the original series: fun, adventurous and on the edge of the frontier with a lone starship exploring the depths of space.

Doesn't do it for me. That stuff's been done to death and to be frank, it bores me to tears.

I really can't see them doing the TOS reboot thing again, which gives me hope for Singers Federation pitch.

One question - if Federation's set that far in the future, could it work as both a prime and JJ trek sequel ? Could they solve the Romuls / Vulcan issue ?

I was speaking in terms of tone than just rebooting Kirk, Spock and McCoy again.

"Star Trek" is colorful, adventurous and optimistic (read: that there is always hope, not the Utopian vision stuff). It's about the captain making difficult decisions. It's dramatic and, in the early first season of TOS, naturalistic.

Making it an "Andromeda" or nuBSG clone is taking the heart out of what makes Trek magical and so remembered. And the reason, IMNSHO, that the Berman-era Trek eventually failed is because it got more and more away from what Trek is, bleeding away all the color from the concept.
 
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I was referring to the episodic exploring 'Planet of the Week' format like TOS and TNG. I want more from a show these days.
 
I was referring to the episodic exploring 'Planet of the Week' format like TOS and TNG. I want more from a show these days.

I'm not saying that you can't have something a bit more from a show that's colorful, adventurous. Take "Doctor Who." It has all those elements and manages to weave long-term storytelling mixed with individual stories that all build to a season ender.

Or better yet, "Mad Man" which uses the episodic format — each season is really a collection of short stories that builds to one final moment in the season finale.

I, however, don't want an season-long "arc" that's nothing but episodes and episodes of set up without actually telling a one single story in an episode, like a lot of shows these days. The final season of ENT had the right idea in having mini-arcs, where stories would unfold over the course of two to three episodes.

In a new Trek, it'd be nice if there is a planet story that took three episodes to tell. But "Mad Men" is a good model, where you can have individual stories that actually build to something at the end of the season.

I'd prefer a new Trek to mix the more sophisticated storytelling of today's television with that frontier spirit of exploration. Show us the dangers of that for those who chose that lifestyle. Stories that challenge the characters and explore deeper themes. And like the best of Trek, use the prism of science fiction to comment on our world today.
 
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I was referring to the episodic exploring 'Planet of the Week' format like TOS and TNG. I want more from a show these days.

I'm not saying that you can't have something a bit more from a show that's colorful, adventurous. Take "Doctor Who." It has all those elements and manages to weave long-term storytelling mixed with individual stories that all build to a season ender.

I, however, don't want an season-long "arc" that's nothing but episodes and episodes of set up without actually telling a one single story in an episode, like a lot of shows these days. The final season of ENT had the right idea in having mini-arcs, where stories would unfold over the course of two to three episodes.
I coud live with that. I'd still rather the emphasis wasn't strongly on explration though. I know Trek was 'Wagon Train to the Stars', but we've just had so much of that in the decades since.

The 'Federation' pitch seems to look at the socio-economic make-up and development of the Federation as well as setting up a background scenario for the show. That's way more interesting to me.
 
t should take its cues from the Abrams' movies and the original series: fun, adventurous and on the edge of the frontier with a lone starship exploring the depths of space.
I'm sorry, while that was a theme in TOS, when did this happen in a Abrams movie?

:)
 
t should take its cues from the Abrams' movies and the original series: fun, adventurous and on the edge of the frontier with a lone starship exploring the depths of space.
I'm sorry, while that was a theme in TOS, when did this happen in a Abrams movie?

:)
When did it happen in Star Treks 1 through 10? Unless you want a Star Trek film that spends two hours exploring the edge of the frontier, and nothing else. It could be a Nova documentary.

On a side note, it did happen in Star Trek V. So, take that for what it's worth.
 
t should take its cues from the Abrams' movies and the original series: fun, adventurous and on the edge of the frontier with a lone starship exploring the depths of space.
I'm sorry, while that was a theme in TOS, when did this happen in a Abrams movie?

:)
When did it happen in Star Treks 1 through 10? Unless you want a Star Trek film that spends two hours exploring the edge of the frontier, and nothing else. It could be a Nova documentary.

On a side note, it did happen in Star Trek V. So, take that for what it's worth.
STID's opening sequence and Insurrection could qualify. Even TOS spend a fair amount of time in "known" space. TNG and DS9 spent too much time in "known" space.
 
I'm sorry, while that was a theme in TOS, when did this happen in a Abrams movie?

:)
When did it happen in Star Treks 1 through 10? Unless you want a Star Trek film that spends two hours exploring the edge of the frontier, and nothing else. It could be a Nova documentary.

On a side note, it did happen in Star Trek V. So, take that for what it's worth.
STID's opening sequence and Insurrection could qualify. Even TOS spend a fair amount of time in "known" space. TNG and DS9 spent too much time in "known" space.
I remember one of the favorite retorts was to wait until Picard says, in INS, "Does anyone remember when we were explorers?" and yell out "No!"
 
Even TOS spend a fair amount of time in "known" space. TNG and DS9 spent too much time in "known" space.

In your opinion. I think there's been way too much exploration - it's repetitive, formulaic, episodic, uninteresting and overused...
 
Even TOS spend a fair amount of time in "known" space. TNG and DS9 spent too much time in "known" space.

In your opinion. I think there's been way too much exploration - it's repetitive, formulaic, episodic, uninteresting and overused...

Not having exploration as part of a new series seems antithetical to the concept of "Star Trek."

I agree with Nerys Myk. The shows didn't really spend a lot time exploring "strange new worlds" as much as they could've, especially TNG. The sequel series spent a fair amount of time doing diplomatic or, as I once called it, ambulance stories where they were called in to take care of a problem in "known space."

The writers probably relayed on those type of conventional stories because coming up with "new lifeforms and civilizations" each week is creatively challenging and exhaustive. But there are hundreds of science-fiction short stories you mine and buy to turn into episodes, which I don't know why the 80s/90s Trek shows or the original didn't try to do that.

Oh, I digress.

I would relish seeing a new #StarTrek show that really committed to that exploration directive said at the opening of each episode: to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations ... to boldly go ...
 
I agree with Nerys Myk. The shows didn't really spend a lot time exploring "strange new worlds" as much as they could've, especially TNG. The sequel series spent a fair amount of time doing diplomatic or, as I once called it, ambulance stories where they were called in to take care of a problem in "known space."

Or as I tend to think of it, developing characters and plot arcs, and being generally interesting.

What we have, is a liking for different aspects of Trek, which is testament to its strength. The shifting political situations, allies, tensions etc. will always be more fascinating to me than the quickly resolved issue of this weeks bumpy nosed alien. You would probably find it stagnant, dull and lacking adventure.

I'm a Niner. You probably aren't.

It's all good !
 
I'm a Niner as well, but the war arc is my least favorite aspect of the show. When the wormhole first opened, I was thrilled. A whole new quadrant to explore! Not long after, though, it became about war. Granted, some great episodes came out of that arc (In the Pale Moonlight, It's Only A Paper Moon), but overall, I just don't like when the show tends toward war.
 
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