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Six reasons Star Trek should stay dead?

6. Trek is a poison dart of nostalgia aimed at the hearts of aging fan-dudes. The franchise caters to a fearsomely loyal cadre of dorks who recite Shatner's Promise Margarine commercials to each other. They also obsess over every minor detail from the show's 40,000 year history, leading to...

No different from any other fandom.

5. Obsessive continuity and reveling in cheese. .Rumor has it the new Trek movie will feature tribbbles and the Guardian of Forever, and god knows what other callbacks to ancient episodes. Trek also groans under the weight of cliches it can never outgrow, from "beam me up" to "warp nine" to "shields down to 59 percent."

Every franchise tends to have its signature catchphrases.

4. It's an out-of-date news flash. Trek's format is a Cold War relic, from the original show's running Soviets=Klingons metaphor to the post-Cold War "new order" of TNG and DS9. Most storylines relate to "our" superpower, the Federation, facing off against other superpowers or coping with third-world planets. Take away the Cold War as a reference point, and you have boring space opera.

I think Star Trek does need to move with the social issues and times and be more relevant to the audiences, but not the expense of merely becoming a clone of every other sci-fi franchise out there right now and losing classic Trek elements.

3. It's no longer looking ahead. Like Star Wars, Trek is trapped in prequel-land. Enterprise bored us by filling in pointless backstory on the early days of Starfleet, but the J.J. Abrams movie looks to be twice as pointless. We already know everything we need to about young Kirk and the other Trek tots. Mining your own past is a prime symptom of idea bankruptcy.

NEM was "looking ahead". It flopped. A prequel concept isn't necessarily flawed. It all depends on how it's executed.

2. We're tired of the clueless wanker with Asbergers who teaches us what it means to be human. Spock was sort of cute, so nu-Trek served up Data, Odo, that holographic doctor, Seven of Nine and T'Pol. It's not Trek without Rain Man trying to understand our human ways. We prefer the Cylons, who school us about humanity by screwing and killing us.

If one prefers the Cylons, then why not just watch Battlestar Galactica? Why must Star Trek do the same thing as another franchise?

1. Sanctimonious preaching is in Trek's DNA. From the Prime Directive to the Captain's Log, the franchise was made for droning voices giving us lectures. Starfleet Academy must give would-be captains a special course in holding forth about the moral lesson in every conceivable situation. We're also sick of constantly hearing about how our heroes are too noble to share their advanced technology with other cultures.

I tend to agree with this one. I would prefer the Starfleet characters to be the ones being taught moral lessons, rather than preaching moral lessons to others. I find that more interesting.
 
ChristopherPike said:
Borg451 said: Trek should stay dead.. it harms the already existing episodes by making more stuff..
The BBC had better cancel Doctor Who immediately then. The 695 episodes made between 1963 and 1996 should be more than enough to keep you happy. :p

tbh DW is the opposite, the old episodes detract from the new ones...i hate any huge refernce to them
 
HRHTheKING said:
5. Obsessive continuity and reveling in cheese. .Rumor has it the new Trek movie will feature tribbbles and the Guardian of Forever, and god knows what other callbacks to ancient episodes. Trek also groans under the weight of cliches it can never outgrow, from "beam me up" to "warp nine" to "shields down to 59 percent."

Every franchise tends to have its signature catchphrases.
``Shields down to 59 percent'' really isn't a catchphrase. It's more like a small, agonizing pinch of drama dying. ``Beam me up'' is a legitimate catchphrase and actually serves a useful dramatic purpose; ``warp nine'' similarly at least makes something happen.

4. It's an out-of-date news flash. Trek's format is a Cold War relic, from the original show's running Soviets=Klingons metaphor to the post-Cold War "new order" of TNG and DS9. Most storylines relate to "our" superpower, the Federation, facing off against other superpowers or coping with third-world planets. Take away the Cold War as a reference point, and you have boring space opera.

I think Star Trek does need to move with the social issues and times and be more relevant to the audiences, but not the expense of merely becoming a clone of every other sci-fi franchise out there right now and losing classic Trek elements.
More importantly, the Soviet-Klingon Cold War Metaphor is a really overblown thing with pretty near no basis in the original series. Klingons only appeared in maybe six episodes, and in one of those it was an imaginary Klingon. You could quite easily watch the original series regularly and never know there was such a thing as a Klingon.
 
trevanian said:
I found 1 thru 3 to each contain some merit, and while there's something (admittedly small) to be said for all the points, it really just looks like blogging for blog's sake.

Is there any other kind these days?

"Lookatme! Lookatme!"
 
Yes, Star Trek should stay dead. We need more films about people killing people mercilessly, people robbing casinos and action-only brain-killers.

I think some of the things he hates Star Trek for are some of the best things in it - like the moral lessons. If instead of playing GTA pulling people out of cars kids watched Star Trek and learned about morals, duty and loyalty, maybe the world would be a better place.

Rustam
 
rustam said: I think some of the things he hates Star Trek for are some of the best things in it - like the moral lessons. If instead of playing GTA pulling people out of cars kids watched Star Trek and learned about morals, duty and loyalty, maybe the world would be a better place.
Quoted for truth. In fact, you may have just brightened my day. I do think most people have a very 2-D view of Star Trek. That it's squeaky clean, childish, unrealistic, overly lecturing, like a church sermon. In fact there's plenty of unmorality in Trek, not to mention violence. But it's violence in defence of others, which is less glamorous than a life of crime.

The epitome of how bad things got happened when Enterprise got took off the air and they replaced it with a show about Kevin and Britney. Yeah, great role models for kids to aspire to...
 
If instead of playing GTA pulling people out of cars kids watched Star Trek and learned about morals, duty and loyalty, maybe the world would be a better place.

Why would these kids be playing GTA when it's clearly a game not suitable for children and has a certificate stating it's for over 18's?

The epitome of how bad things got happened when Enterprise got took off the air and they replaced it with a show about Kevin and Britney. Yeah, great role models for kids to aspire to...

It's about business, not a public service. UPN isn't there to parent people's children. Besides, I'm not sure if T'Pol's bare arse, and hard nipples in the decon chamber are the best things for kids to watch either.
 
HRHTheKING said:
6. Trek is a poison dart of nostalgia aimed at the hearts of aging fan-dudes. The franchise caters to a fearsomely loyal cadre of dorks who recite Shatner's Promise Margarine commercials to each other. They also obsess over every minor detail from the show's 40,000 year history, leading to...

No different from any other fandom.

Well, there may be a difference of degree here. I don't think most fandoms take themselves nearly as seriously as Trek and Wars fans do. Gundum fans may attend anime conventions and cosplay, but first off they tend to be fans of Anime in general, and secondly very very few seem to think that any anime gives a blueprint of how the future should be.

5. Obsessive continuity and reveling in cheese. .Rumor has it the new Trek movie will feature tribbbles and the Guardian of Forever, and god knows what other callbacks to ancient episodes. Trek also groans under the weight of cliches it can never outgrow, from "beam me up" to "warp nine" to "shields down to 59 percent."

Every franchise tends to have its signature catchphrases.

Well, yes they have catchphrases, but most of them don't really wallow in them. Aside from movies, I can't think of any franchise that goes out of its way to create catchphrases or stock events. Trek has a few bad habits here. They have a bunch of stock situations and stock solutions that can be stuck on to just about anything.

4. It's an out-of-date news flash. Trek's format is a Cold War relic, from the original show's running Soviets=Klingons metaphor to the post-Cold War "new order" of TNG and DS9. Most storylines relate to "our" superpower, the Federation, facing off against other superpowers or coping with third-world planets. Take away the Cold War as a reference point, and you have boring space opera.

I think Star Trek does need to move with the social issues and times and be more relevant to the audiences, but not the expense of merely becoming a clone of every other sci-fi franchise out there right now and losing classic Trek elements.

I'm not sure all of it was cold war. Especially in the 1980's, it seemed the Fed was THE superpower, and everybody was dancing around them. What HAS gone south is that the consequences sort of went away. Picard literally chooses the head of the High Council, and not one Klingon seems to have enough nationalistic fiber to not want a PM chosen by a forgein power. It worked great when we tried it -- Just ask the Shah of Iran.

3. It's no longer looking ahead. Like Star Wars, Trek is trapped in prequel-land. Enterprise bored us by filling in pointless backstory on the early days of Starfleet, but the J.J. Abrams movie looks to be twice as pointless. We already know everything we need to about young Kirk and the other Trek tots. Mining your own past is a prime symptom of idea bankruptcy.

NEM was "looking ahead". It flopped. A prequel concept isn't necessarily flawed. It all depends on how it's executed.

I think it depends on what you mine. Do a prequel that answers questions only a fanboy would ask, and it won't be a good story. Find a great story in the past, and it will be a great story.

But I think he does have a point about not looking ahead -- not because of prequeliciousness, but because it stopped asking "what if", which is the point of making a scifi in the first place.

What if you had to choose between the woman you love and the future?

What would happen if two sides started a civil war and armed locals to kill each other.

Ask questions.
 
I don't agree that Star Trek (at least TOS) was space opera - I think it had a definite science fiction premise, i.e. what would the crew of the Enterprise do if placed in this or that hypothetical situation. Don't see how that's space opera :confused:
 
Roxana said:
I don't agree that Star Trek (at least TOS) was space opera - I think it had a definite science fiction premise, i.e. what would the crew of the Enterprise do if placed in this or that hypothetical situation. Don't see how that's space opera :confused:

Like much opera, Trek deals with morality, and themes of the human condition on a large scale, with 'high drama'. There is not debating that TOS was melodrama, by definition, when something happens in trek, it is always without exception followed by a dramatic, comedic or other musical cue, that's the melo (melody) in melodrama.
 
OK ... I was defining "space opera" as "soap opera set in space" and not "opera set in space". I wonder which the article meant?
 
i agree trek has become a joke! need some writers with skill and creativity to take over. when i heard about the new movie i wanted to puke. another flop on the way.

We should be enjoying several DS9 movies now, that would have been on track and right on the money.

All one needs to do is watch some BSG, Heroes, SG1 or Atlantis episodes to name a few and then watch some Enterprise and youll be ashamed at how bad its gotten.
 
The writer who wrote the original article has obviously not watched that much Star Trek and just concocted some really generic arguments in some attempt to appear witty. I just wished he had a more informed argument that was worth the brief time that I took out of my day to click and read it. Having said that, there are a few points that he touched on that perhaps with further elaboration can be agreed upon.

Even though I'm a fan, I sometimes would agree that Star Trek needs a rest so can be rejuvenated later on with a new creative staff, new actors, new characters, new premises to build a show around, and new and challenging stories. I wouldn't say that it should stay dead because the fact that it has lasted this long must mean there is some value to it just like other franchises like James Bond, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, etc. As with other franchises, it can get formulaic and tired when it's been laboring on without a rest, which is why the most recent entry into Trek cannon was such a failure. When ENT premiered so soon after VOY I knew there was no way we were going to get a quality program since it seemed as if the main focus was just getting another Star Trek show on the air rather than trying to create something unique for fans to sink their teeth into. With Star Trek, there are so many potential premises to build on for a series or a movie that it amazed me that we were getting yet another show set on a starship named Enterprise and a prequel no less. First off, Star Trek is best when it moves forward. Why go back to the pre-Kirk days and try to explain a back-story that very few but devoted fans wanted explained anyway (that’s what Trek-lit is for and the original writer in the first post made this point). The excuse at the time of the show was that they wanted to build a new fan base so they expected audiences who had never seen Star Trek to watch the show simply because it was a prequel and required no prior knowledge of the past series. Let's face it: Star Trek is Star Trek. You can't disguise it and hope that you'll build a new fan base by telling them it's a prequel and you can watch it without ever having seen a single minute of any other show or movie in the franchise. No one is going to be tricked into watching a sci-fi program with the kind of history that Star trek has without knowing what they're getting into.

The point is that the potential audience has to already be inclined to want to watch Star Trek, and that audience has to be big enough to sustain the show to justify its existence. The fan base was already dwindling by the time VOY ended so ENT already had that working against it. I would argue that unless there is a strong demand for more Star Trek, the franchise should rest. If that means the death of the franchise so be it. As of now, aside from this message board, I don't really sense a huge clamoring for more Trek. I could be wrong though. This is just my perception. I just feel like the new film be out and the trek faithful will all go out and watch it the first weekend (and then commiserate on message boards about how the movie sucked but they'll go see it 2 more times anyway just to be sure) and then after that first weekend, no one will care and the franchise will just disappear again until CBS feels it can milk it some more. It just feels like the franchise is doomed to linger in that kind of cycle. The glory days of Trek are long gone (at least for us geeks anyway- see I admit it) or maybe I've outgrown the franchise. Maybe a lot of fans have outgrown the franchise. I remember a time when Picard, Data, and Riker were like buddies. Tarentino suggests that he makes "hang-out" films: films where the overall premise is for the audience to enjoying "hanging out" with the characters and the plot while certainly of some importance is also inconsequential at the same time. That's kind of how I felt about Star Trek growing up on it. I "hung-out" with Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, Dr. Crusher, Wesley (though in his case not by choice). Then DS9 came and after some reluctance I embraced Sisko, Kira, Bashir, Garak, Jadzia, etc. and I even came to appreciate DS9 more so than I ever thought I would. The stories were somewhat less formulaic that TNG and the I felt like I had a new hang-out spot that I enjoyed just as much as the first. Then VOY came, and while I was not a big fan of it, I respected it and watched it from time basking shamelessly in my geekdom. Fast forward to ENT, and I just completely lost all my passion for the franchise. I obligated myself to watching some episodes, but it felt more like a chore than the sheer escapism I felt with TNG and DS9.

Perhaps the blame lies with both me the fan and the franchise. At some point we grew apart, and when I think of the relationship I prefer to bask in the good times (which for me is from TOS through DS9 and some VOY). I don't really care to move beyond those times because right now I have no faith in anything new in store for the franchise. It just feels like to much work to have to get to know new characters, follow new stories, and go out of my way to watch a show when it comes out or see a movie when there are other great new movies coming out that I want to see that might offer less of a disappointment factor because let's face it no matter how good the new movie is it will never live up to how good it was way back when.

Of course, this is a two way street, and I don’t think I deserve all the blame here. Lest we forget that my recent memories of Star Trek have been filled with disappointment for a reason. Frankly, the writing hasn't been very good with very few exceptions even though some season 4 episodes of ENT managed to get my hopes up only to be knocked down the following week. The characters have become bland, stale, and shamelessly predictable. Starfleet characters still have that self-righteous moralizing habit they always have only now it comes off as disingenuous instead of ethically sound. The stories have become predictable, and even though we are in an entirely different universe we still get stories that adhere to formula rather than challenge the audience. Who's fault is this? Rick Berman? CBS? Who cares. The point is that somewhere along the line the franchise got caught in stasis and has not come up with a way to combat this. Who knows, maybe the movie will succeed, and usher in a new way of doing things, but I highly doubt it.

Having said that I guess, I'll fall into the category of people who will no doubt see the new movie during the first weekend, so perhaps I'm no different than any other fan in that respect, and maybe this little rant is my way of coming to terms with my own fandom. In either case, whether the fans embrace the film may not matter. Perhaps we just need to get to a point where we're happy and elated that there is any Star Trek at all even though for some of us, this may not be an easy state of mind to achieve.
 
rustam said:
Yes, Star Trek should stay dead. We need more films about people killing people mercilessly, people robbing casinos and action-only brain-killers.

I think some of the things he hates Star Trek for are some of the best things in it - like the moral lessons. If instead of playing GTA pulling people out of cars kids watched Star Trek and learned about morals, duty and loyalty, maybe the world would be a better place.

Rustam

GTA is actually kinda fun. There is a place for mayhem in the world, and no it doesn't make you evil. Entertainment should entertain people first and formost. The reason that some people aren't into trek is that it doesn't entertain them.

I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would be bored to tears by Final Fantasy. That's fine. They won't play it, and I will. That doesn't mean that I'm superior (what with the universe saving and all) just that they don't like my entertainment choices.

I think there is room for *good* trek, trek that dumps the bad habits and the full-of-itself attitude and just entertains people.
 
stj said:
2.Data, Odo, EMH and Seven of Nine at the end all wanted to be human.

Odo did not want to become human. When he was made human he considered it a punishment. He also went back to his own people at the end.
 
It's wasting all that energy on hoping the movie will be bad so they can say they were right that confuses me. Why not just expect the best? It's not that expensive going to the cinema. If you like it, great, if you don't, what the hell. You'll get over it.

I'm pretty sure I'll like it, I'm easy to please. :)
 
I do agree with his comments in number 6(Trek is a poison dart of nostalgia), number 5(Obsessive continuity) & number 4(It's an out-of-date news flash.).

That why Star Trek needs a REBOOT(in my opinion) to start fresh by going back to its roots. Modernize and give it new template.
I hope XI isn't just 100% prequel.
 
I dunno, the only actual benefit to the death of Trek is that it allowed other scifis to come forward. With the exception of Babylon 5, most space scifi came after Trek. If trek has to die for a time so we can have Farscape, Firefly, Stargate (all 3 or 4), Battlestar Galactica, and other such shows.

I don't want more Trek if it means that that's *all* I get.
 
Literally that's true. But Odo spent most of his time as a failed copy of a human being. Failed imitation is the most pathetic form of flattery. To rephrase---however they ended Data, Odo, EMH and Seven of Nine most of the time were characters who wanted to be human.
 
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