Sisko v. Borg
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Thankfully, we had only about 4 minutes of Borg-related stuff, and that was in the first minutes of the show, before the opening credits to episode 1x01.
I'm pretty sure the writers of DS9 viewed the Borg as a TNG thing, and they wanted to make their own 'big bad' of an enemy. Something that they did quite well, IMO.
I would have thought that the Borg would have been just too much on DS9. As it was, Ira Behr tried to wrap up the Maquis storyline on DS9 as quickly as possible so that the storyline wouldn't get too confusing and diluted.
I'm pretty sure the writers of DS9 viewed the Borg as a TNG thing, and they wanted to make their own 'big bad' of an enemy. Something that they did quite well, IMO.
I would have thought that the Borg would have been just too much on DS9. As it was, Ira Behr tried to wrap up the Maquis storyline on DS9 as quickly as possible so that the storyline wouldn't get too confusing and diluted.
I was quite happy the only reason the Borg were in the show was as a character development angle. I think that they were largely on the other side of the Federation from a typical Borg incursion, and that it was best left as TNG's "big bad".
To be honest the more nuanced and politically savvy Dominion made for much better TV.
To be honest the more nuanced and politically savvy Dominion made for much better TV.
Sounds like an interesting story idea, at least IMHO.Tighs Eye said:
Personally, I would have liked to have seen the Borg on DS9. It would have been interesting to see how the Federation responds to a request of aid from the Dominion under attack from the Borg in S4
But overall I never really missed the Borg on DS9.
In some ways, the revenge angle could've worked better with Sisko instead of Picard. While it works with Picard, it could've possibly worked better with Sisko.
But, I think it was best not to have the Borg in DS9. After all, I think we got enough of them in VOY.
But, I think it was best not to have the Borg in DS9. After all, I think we got enough of them in VOY.
Tighs Eye said:
Personally, I would have liked to have seen the Borg on DS9. It would have been interesting to see how the Federation responds to a request of aid from the Dominion under attack from the Borg in S4
Tighs Eye, I really like this idea. I think it would've fit in nicely as a two or three part episode.
A while ago, I heard that Sisko was supposed to be in First Contact but for some reason it didn't work out. Could anyone elaborate on that? Even though I thought Patrick Stewart did a good job, the revenge angle would've worked for Sisko almost as well.
Though some posters don't think the Borg would've fit on DS9's crowded plate, a one or two parter-esp. during the first or second season probably could've worked well. It might've required the writers to come at the Borg with a unique angle. Something like VOY's "Unity", but with Sisko instead of Chakotay.
I wouldn't have liked The Borg in DS9. They were totally gimped in Voyager, the Dominion were a lot more interesting. I don't think there is anything they could've done with The Borg. I don't think the Borg could even get to DS9 without a huge Federation fleet wrecking its shit, and the Detla Quadrant? I thought the wormhole was far far from the Dominions borders near the Gamma Quadrant. I don't think the Dominion would ask for the Federations help, nor would they need it. I bet 300+ Jemhadar fighters could stop a Borg Cube, or a changeling could infilitrate a cube and fuck it up or the fighters could ram it to shit.
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I liked how in one of the early DS9 novels a Borg cube came through the wormhole and promptly blew up. While non canonical I always thought it was a cool reason why the Borg never showed their faces at DS9 again.
I liked how in one of the early DS9 novels a Borg cube came through the wormhole and promptly blew up. While non canonical I always thought it was a cool reason why the Borg never showed their faces at DS9 again.
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Could have done a DS9 episode running alongside the events of First Contact where the station is surrounded by various starships using it for supplies before heading off to uncharted space (beyond Bajor and through the wormhole) the Dominion sends a representative to gather info on the Borg threat, the crews thoughts are fixiated on Worf, Sisko's is on his wife. There's reports of borg activity in other sectors, it seems to be scout vessals and then one arrives at DS9, it merely takes scans of the area but causes chaos such as ships attacking each other and rioting breaking out on the station. The episode ends with the Borg scout leaving and news that the main ship has been destroyed, sensor scans reveal the Scouts to be headed back to the Delta quadrant.
Could have done a DS9 episode running alongside the events of First Contact where the station is surrounded by various starships using it for supplies before heading off to uncharted space (beyond Bajor and through the wormhole) the Dominion sends a representative to gather info on the Borg threat, the crews thoughts are fixiated on Worf, Sisko's is on his wife. There's reports of borg activity in other sectors, it seems to be scout vessals and then one arrives at DS9, it merely takes scans of the area but causes chaos such as ships attacking each other and rioting breaking out on the station. The episode ends with the Borg scout leaving and news that the main ship has been destroyed, sensor scans reveal the Scouts to be headed back to the Delta quadrant.
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While I liked First Contact, it always felt wrong to me that Worf was in command of the Defiant and there was no one else from the station serving on the bridge. If the Defiant was going to join the battle fleet to engage the Borg, I don't think that there would be any way to keep Sisko from commanding the ship.
They could at least have had O'brien there if they wanted it to be a TNG only movie.
While I liked First Contact, it always felt wrong to me that Worf was in command of the Defiant and there was no one else from the station serving on the bridge. If the Defiant was going to join the battle fleet to engage the Borg, I don't think that there would be any way to keep Sisko from commanding the ship.
They could at least have had O'brien there if they wanted it to be a TNG only movie.
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Then read Lesser Evil, the novel by Robert Simpson.Belar said:
I'd like to know if they could assimilate a changeling. Just a thought -- and a fan-boyish one, I'll admit.
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Incidentally, there were two bits of DS9 literature that involved the Borg that I can remember. In an early DS9 novel, a cube did indeed try to use the wormhole, but was too massive and was crushed just as it showed up in the Alpha quadrant. The author used it as his reasonsing for why the Borg would never show up - the Collective would have only recorded the loss of a Cube under mysterious but probably natural circumstances, classify it an anomaly to steer clear of, and behave accordingly.
The second appearance was on in a holosuite program in a comic book. Sisko was using the holosuite to fantasize about being in charge at Wolf 359, using all sorts of interesting plans and tactics to defeat the Borg, and failing each time. It's ultimately revealed that he was using the program as a form of therapy, to convince himself that he could not possibly have done a thing to change the outcome and save Jennifer. Quite touching, really.
Mark
Incidentally, there were two bits of DS9 literature that involved the Borg that I can remember. In an early DS9 novel, a cube did indeed try to use the wormhole, but was too massive and was crushed just as it showed up in the Alpha quadrant. The author used it as his reasonsing for why the Borg would never show up - the Collective would have only recorded the loss of a Cube under mysterious but probably natural circumstances, classify it an anomaly to steer clear of, and behave accordingly.
The second appearance was on in a holosuite program in a comic book. Sisko was using the holosuite to fantasize about being in charge at Wolf 359, using all sorts of interesting plans and tactics to defeat the Borg, and failing each time. It's ultimately revealed that he was using the program as a form of therapy, to convince himself that he could not possibly have done a thing to change the outcome and save Jennifer. Quite touching, really.
Mark
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Which novel features the exploding cube? The Siege by Peter David?
Which novel features the exploding cube? The Siege by Peter David?
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I'm glad the Borg weren't on DS9, but I wouldn't have minded a small mention of them popping up in Federation space around the time of First Contact. It just might have been an interesting theme for Sisko to revisit, even if not for a whole episode.
Or, after months of Worf's constant frustrations at trying to fit in on DS9, maybe the senior staff could be happily waving him off and wishing him well. Could have been nice. (Blech - no that's horrible actually.)
I'm glad the Borg weren't on DS9, but I wouldn't have minded a small mention of them popping up in Federation space around the time of First Contact. It just might have been an interesting theme for Sisko to revisit, even if not for a whole episode.
Or, after months of Worf's constant frustrations at trying to fit in on DS9, maybe the senior staff could be happily waving him off and wishing him well. Could have been nice. (Blech - no that's horrible actually.
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They DID mention the events of First Contact. In a late season five episode, Sisko mentions at a briefing that Starfleet has been spreading itself pretty thin, thanks to Dominion activities and "the recent Borg incursion". They said it and moved on. Thing is, to everyone who wasn't transported to 2063, all that happened was that a Cube showed up at the outskirts of Federation territory, they assembled a fleet to stop it, and after a sizeable battle they did. Oh, and the Enterprise showed up, saved the day AGAIN, vanished pursuing a Sphere, and apparently popped up again shortly thereafter. There wasn't as much to mention other than a big battle happened.
As for Sisko, by the fifth season he'd pretty much laid to rest Jennifer and his past. He was with Kassidy by that point too, and while he'd of course never forget Jennifer, he wasn't letting it keep him back & brooding all the time.
The DS9 companion mentions that the show's production crew weren't too happy that the movie "borrowed" their awesome little ship - and thoroughly worked it over. They didn't really damage the set, but they bruised a few egos by seeing their favorite ass-kicking ship, well, get its ass kicked. Accordingly though, they DID switch over to the new uniforms, and arranged things so that there would be no Defiant-based episodes after the Borg battle, so that they could explain why the Defiant was shiny and new the next time we saw her.
Mark
They DID mention the events of First Contact. In a late season five episode, Sisko mentions at a briefing that Starfleet has been spreading itself pretty thin, thanks to Dominion activities and "the recent Borg incursion". They said it and moved on. Thing is, to everyone who wasn't transported to 2063, all that happened was that a Cube showed up at the outskirts of Federation territory, they assembled a fleet to stop it, and after a sizeable battle they did. Oh, and the Enterprise showed up, saved the day AGAIN, vanished pursuing a Sphere, and apparently popped up again shortly thereafter. There wasn't as much to mention other than a big battle happened.
As for Sisko, by the fifth season he'd pretty much laid to rest Jennifer and his past. He was with Kassidy by that point too, and while he'd of course never forget Jennifer, he wasn't letting it keep him back & brooding all the time.
The DS9 companion mentions that the show's production crew weren't too happy that the movie "borrowed" their awesome little ship - and thoroughly worked it over. They didn't really damage the set, but they bruised a few egos by seeing their favorite ass-kicking ship, well, get its ass kicked. Accordingly though, they DID switch over to the new uniforms, and arranged things so that there would be no Defiant-based episodes after the Borg battle, so that they could explain why the Defiant was shiny and new the next time we saw her.
Mark
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