Sisko v. Borg
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The Borg appear in The Siege, during DS9's first season. (However, it is not a major appearance. More of a cameo, really.)
They appear again in the post-finale fiction in Lesser Evil.
They appear again in the post-finale fiction in Lesser Evil.
Not to mention the novelization of The Emissary.
But it should be noted that Sisko wasn't present in that book.
On one hand, I've always wondered what it would be like to see Sisko face the Borg again. I feel like there's be a ton of drama and could make for a great story.
However, I was happy that DS9 didn't try to "steal" the Borg from TNG to use as their adversary, and focused on new aliens like the Dominion instead. DS9 was so busy dealing with Bajorans, Cardassians and the various Gamma Quadrant aliens, that throwing in the Borg would have been overkill.
It seems like TNG and VOY novels continue to deal with the Borg... still, I wonder if there would be a smart and creative way to do a Sisko/Borg story. Or perhaps Sisko was able to get over his loss once he finally dealt with Picard face-to-face? Perhaps it just isn't necessary to do a story.
However, I was happy that DS9 didn't try to "steal" the Borg from TNG to use as their adversary, and focused on new aliens like the Dominion instead. DS9 was so busy dealing with Bajorans, Cardassians and the various Gamma Quadrant aliens, that throwing in the Borg would have been overkill.
It seems like TNG and VOY novels continue to deal with the Borg... still, I wonder if there would be a smart and creative way to do a Sisko/Borg story. Or perhaps Sisko was able to get over his loss once he finally dealt with Picard face-to-face? Perhaps it just isn't necessary to do a story.
You're desssppppicable...KRAD said:
There was a novelization of the TNG episode that introduced K'Ehleyr? I didn't know that!
But what does that have to do with Sisko and the Borg?
(Those definite articles'll getcha every time.....)
I can certainly understand your sentiments. Perhaps after meeting Picard, the first encounter with the Prophets, the mirror Jennifer, and marrying Kasidy and having a child with her, Sisko has 'gotten' over Wolf 359. Then again, maybe he hasn't.
I agree with you that I wouldn't have wanted DS9 to steal the Borg. They did fine without them. But after the rush of the series premiere it just felt like a wasted opportunity not to revisit Sisko v. the Borg. I would've loved to see him get some payback.
Perhaps it would've made more sense to do so in S1-S3 of DS9 than in the later seasons, or even during the relaunch. Then again, with the Borg returning in Resistance maybe they'll darken DS9's door. A reader can only hope.
DarKush said:
I can certainly understand your sentiments. Perhaps after meeting Picard, the first encounter with the Prophets, the mirror Jennifer, and marrying Kasidy and having a child with her, Sisko has 'gotten' over Wolf 359. Then again, maybe he hasn't.
I agree with you that I wouldn't have wanted DS9 to steal the Borg. They did fine without them. But after the rush of the series premiere it just felt like a wasted opportunity not to revisit Sisko v. the Borg. I would've loved to see him get some payback.
Perhaps it would've made more sense to do so in S1-S3 of DS9 than in the later seasons, or even during the relaunch. Then again, with the Borg returning in Resistance maybe they'll darken DS9's door. A reader can only hope.
Well, the Borg's tranwarp conduits were destroyed in "Endgame". Perhaps the Borg would like to get their hands on the wormhole so that they can take advantage of it? I suppose we'll have to see how things play out in "Before Dishonor."
Or rather, one of their transwarp hubs was destroyed. As stated in the episode, there are five other hubs elsewhere in the galaxy.
^^It's ambiguous. It was stated that the conduits connected to the hub would collapse in a cascade reaction, not that the other five hubs would collapse. However, at the end, Seven does claim "The transwarp network has been obliterated." So it wasn't very well thought out or consistent -- much like the rest of the episode.
What I don't understand (and maybe somebody could enlighten me) is the nature of this transwarp network. We've seen Borg use transwarp without a hub before ("Descent"), suggesting that individual ships are capable of achieving transwarp, and that it worked much like regular warp in that you picked a destination and traveled there. The idea of the hub, however, suggests that there's a network of transwarp 'corridors', for lack of a better term, which may even be artificial creations of the Borg or an earlier civilization since destroying the hub destroys the network; i.e. the network can't sustain itself without the real-space apparatus of the hub keeping the connections active. So, in effect, the hub is almost like a slower version of the stargate network, with pre-set entry and exit points... right?
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Well, first off, I'd say it's a given that it was created by some earlier civilization, since the Borg don't create, only assimilate.
I seem to recall "Descent" implying that a transwarp conduit existed at a fixed location, that you had to reach its endpoint in order to access it, rather than creating it from wherever you were. Although that doesn't fit the portrayal of the Borg transwarp coil in "Dark Frontier."
I'm not sure the existence of a series of hubs and conduits necessarily requires fixed entry/exit points, since we're dealing with higher-dimensional geometries here. Perhaps a given conduit can be accessed from multiple points in normal space, sort of like freeway on-ramps. Or -- this is more topologically complex -- perhaps the endpoint of a given conduit "maps" onto a whole range of locations in normal space, a zone that overlaps with the zones covered by other conduits, so that pretty much the whole galaxy is covered.
Okay, not the best choice of words. But while it is a given that the Borg learnt the technique from somebody else, the network itself might still have been constructed by the Borg, in the same way that they constructed their fleets of cubes and spheres, because it is a useful tool for getting around.
My mistake then. Although it does lead one to wonder why, if the rogue Borg were using the network to get around, the Collective itself never moved to wipe out what was essentially a communicable plague.
I've no problem pretending "Dark Frontier" never happened.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
No, but it was originally conceived as a Sisko story, according to Voyages of the Imagination. It was re-written for the new Defiant crew after the relaunch got going.
Wow, how did I miss that?
I just reread that entry and it looks the story probably wouldn't have worked anyways because they were well into the Dominion War story to really fit it in something on the scale as the Borg into the show. Not I don't mind, I think Lesser Evil is great little story.
Oh so do I. I like the way that it completely up-ends the presumed mega-battle that would have happened if the Dominion and Borg finally meet, by having it already have happened and the story be about the effect on one of the characters instead of lots of action. And yet it still manages to sneak in the answer everyone wanted to know anyway - can a Borg assimilate a Founder?
However, it does lend credence to the theory that Vaughn is a bit too close of a replacement for Sisko. Yes, their personalities aren't the same, but their personal histories are remarkably so. Thankfully, it's revealed in Unity that that's kind of the point.
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