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Sisko/Picard Meeting Make Top 11 Crossovers in TV History

One can only imagine how much the timeline might have been impacted if Sisko hadn't been there to keep Dax out of trouble. :)
 
conflict is fine, but Ben should have had more sense than to blame a man who was not responsible for his wife's death.

Because, of course, real people always have completely rational feelings. :rolleyes:

Human beings are not 100 per cent rational, and we never will be. But I think most people would acknowledge that we should have healthy reactions and emotions to events. If my car tire blows out, I shouldn't blame somebody in India for it, who I've never met and who has never seen a car in his/her lifetime. It would be wrong of me to punch a stranger in the face simply because the way he looks irritates me.

Rationality is not always possible, but healthy recognition and handling of emotions is.

Considering that Locutus murdered his wife, I'd say that Sisko did an admirable job of controlling himself. He's certainly still angry at Picard -- though I think he's also partly just angry at the way the captain of a posh ship behaves so condescendingly towards commanding officers of starbases and is lecturing him about not having the luxury to raise one's family in good circumstances -- but he didn't exactly blame Picard for Locutus's actions or try to hold Picard responsible. He's pissed and doesn't like Picard, but it's not like he actually tried to drum him out of the service or have charges pressed against him.


But Picard was not Locutus, at least not totally. The Borg stripped Picard of his personality and sense of self, and was essentially an automaton. A Borg drone is not in control of his actions, as we know it from seeing the series.

But Sisko was not always an angel, was he? He lied and cheated to get the Romulans to join the war. What happens to the Federation if the Romulans ever find out of this (nothing stays hidden forever)? He poisoned a planet (which was perfectly able to support life) just to satisfy a personal vendetta against a subordinate who double-crossed him. Should a Starfleet captain who felt it was necessary to deceive a rival power and thus alter their destiny forever, be fit to command Starfleet's most important outpost?

To some degree, Sisko was important to Starfleet as Picard was. Picard captained the flagship, and Sisko captained the outpost on the front line against the Dominion. Both positions require integrity and clarity of action and judgement.
 
Yes, and Picard certainly never made irrational decisions while emotionally compromised...

...especially in any situations where his crew was too cowed by him to confront him directly and it took a civilian to talk sense into him...
 
But he did reverse his decision. He also reversed his decision in I, Borg. I don't think having the eventual strength to admit one is wrong is the same as tricking an entire species into war just to save your own people's ass.
 
He reversed his decisions after being talked into doing so, not on his own recognizance. Admitting one is wrong is great, but it doesn't exactly repair the damage you've already done.

Also I'm not sure bringing up I, Borg is the way to go...you're condemning Sisko for making one planet unable to support -human- life while blessing Picard for his newfound willingness to commit genocide under orders?

Given that we know very little of Picard's actions during the Dominion War, it's entirely possible his morality didn't exactly escape undamaged either.
 
He reversed his decisions after being talked into doing so, not on his own recognizance. Admitting one is wrong is great, but it doesn't exactly repair the damage you've already done.

So damage is warding off a Borg attack?
Also I'm not sure bringing up I, Borg is the way to go...you're condemning Sisko for making one planet unable to support -human- life while blessing Picard for his newfound willingness to commit genocide under orders?

To me, the Romulan deception can equate with that. Say you were a Romulan and one day found that that a Starfleet captain deceived your people into a major war. Who was Sisko to dictate the fate of Romulans? And what orders? Picard himself realised the genocide of the Borg was wrong. It's not an exact scenario. Picard had to deal with being violated by the Borg, Sisko was never violated by the Maquis or Eddington.
Given that we know very little of Picard's actions during the Dominion War, it's entirely possible his morality didn't exactly escape undamaged either.

How do we know this? His morality in the series only was compromised in extreme situations, and when faced with the Borg whom he still resented for assimilated him.
 
Damask you are so right. Or what about a mirror darkly?

Q: How does In A Mirror Darkly count as a crossover? Unless you mean the USS Defiant herself and if that's the case, I can see a valid argument for its inclusion (the ships being characters themselves).

Well we had characters from ENT cross into TOS era and we got to see Tholians again. It's definitely a crossover. Not the best but should be inculded
 
Human beings are not 100 per cent rational, and we never will be. But I think most people would acknowledge that we should have healthy reactions and emotions to events. If my car tire blows out, I shouldn't blame somebody in India for it, who I've never met and who has never seen a car in his/her lifetime. It would be wrong of me to punch a stranger in the face simply because the way he looks irritates me.

Rationality is not always possible, but healthy recognition and handling of emotions is.
If my new tyre blew out for no reason on a motorway and my car crashed, killing my wife, I'd be fairly pissed at the company that produced the faulty tyre. If I met the manager of that factory and he had no idea who I was or how his negligence had ruined my life, I'd target my anger at him. It may not be fair on him, it would be ignoring the 99.999999% of tyres produced at his factory that weren't defective, but that's how I'd feel.

But Picard was not Locutus, at least not totally. The Borg stripped Picard of his personality and sense of self, and was essentially an automaton. A Borg drone is not in control of his actions, as we know it from seeing the series.
But the point is that Sisko doesn't understand that, Sisko doesn't understand the Borg and he doesn't understand what it means to be assimilated by the Borg. Unlike the audience, Sisko didn't view the events surrounding Picard's assimilation, all he knows is that some guy with Picard's face was seemingly the head guy responsible for the death of his wife, and now he has to deal with that face again.

Was Sisko right to act how he did in that scene? No, I don't think anyone thinks he is, neither did Michael Piller who wrote the episode. The whole point of Sisko's arc in Emissary was that he was a man who didn't get over his wife's death, he had been living in the past for two years* and it was the Prophets that helped him understand that. He realised that, he let go of his anger, and when he met Picard again his anger had gone.


* Subsequent episodes state that he was working at Utopia Planitia designing a ship to kill the Borg, further showing that Sisko hadn't moved past his anger towards the Borg.
 
* Subsequent episodes state that he was working at Utopia Planitia designing a ship to kill the Borg, further showing that Sisko hadn't moved past his anger towards the Borg.

Y'know, all this time I hadn't put two and two together. I mean, I knew he spent two years at Utopia Planitia to work on the Defiant, and I knew the Defiant was meant to be an Anti-Borg ship, but it never dawned upon me that it was really an outlet for Sisko's personal hatred of the Borg. Now I'm amazed yet slightly ashamed :)
 
* Subsequent episodes state that he was working at Utopia Planitia designing a ship to kill the Borg, further showing that Sisko hadn't moved past his anger towards the Borg.

Y'know, all this time I hadn't put two and two together. I mean, I knew he spent two years at Utopia Planitia to work on the Defiant, and I knew the Defiant was meant to be an Anti-Borg ship, but it never dawned upon me that it was really an outlet for Sisko's personal hatred of the Borg. Now I'm amazed yet slightly ashamed :)

I wish The Search had fleshed that out more and bringing back the Defiant had brought back some old, dark feelings. Would have like to seen Sisko in the zone and would have to have Dax to bring him back
 
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