Single worst scene in the first ten movies

I think TUC has some horrible l dialogue. Meyer packed it as full of "aren't i clever" references as he could. The Shakespeare, only Nixon could go to China, the Sherlock Holmes reference and the don't wait for the translation answer me now were all self indulgent intellectual tripe.

Also the scenes where multiple actors were present was like watching a rehearsed song with many artists singing. Scotty said this line, then Chekov picked it up, then uhura, them McCoy then spock and around again. It was as if they were trying to make up for 25 years of 3 characters getting 90% of the dialogue in 2 hours and it sounded corny and contrived.

 

Disagree with your number 1 - I thought that line was classic Bones, Totally agree with the rest of your choices though...

 

I remember when I saw TFF when it debut on VHS and Bones said, "I liked him better before he died."

I felt like it was inappropriate to joke about Spock's death.

Maybe I'm being to uptight about it, but Spock's death is one of those moments in media that *still* packs an emotional wallop for me, no matter how many times I see it. (The death of Superman's parents in the first Superman movie also still NAILS me everytime.)

So when Bones jokes about liking Spock better before he died, it felt like it was too inappropriate. The line bothered me.

However, I appreciate being challenged to think about the line differently.

In fact, I think most of us liked Spock better before he died. To me, TWOK Spock is perfect Spock. He seemed at ease with his Vulcan-Human heritage, and he felt "grown up" and comfortable. I missed that in the rest of the movies. (Although it seemed like he got back there by the end of Star Trek 09.)

However, that is my "detached" objective side. In universe, however, getting back to the line in question, I didn't think it was good. But I guess Bones was a bit drunk, and Spock is alive after all, so maybe the line isn't so bad.

 

Yeah that's the way I saw it - he's alive, and has been for a good few years at this point, there's no harm done at the end of the day. And I thought it was just a typical cutting but funny remark by Bones, so it's never bothered me at all.

 

It was subtle. And, it wasn't out of character given the characters and the setting.

The boob and pimple jokes in INS are way worse. Totally awkward and out-of-character...juvenile.

 

Yeah, the Bourbon and beans line never bothered me. Listening to some critical people, they make it sound like the beans scene in "Blazing Saddles", but like V'Ger said, "It was subtle."

 

...always gets a good laugh around here.

 

Even though Spock wasn't actually dead?

But we are NOT talking about rape. We are NOT talking about sexual assault. We are talking about telepathic invasion. Using the word "rape" imports a whole bunch of real-world associations that don't belong to this scenario, and belittles the real thing.

 

I would say what happened to Troi was actually worse than "just" physical rape. Having your very mind and soul violated like that on such an intimate level.....*shudder*

 

Vulcan mind-meld?

 

Dune Buggy chase --after all those years of ignoring wheeled vehicles as primitive, it suddenly came out of nowhere. And running off a cliff onto a waiting shuttle no less. It never fit in with the reserved attitude of TNG.

The Troi Mind Rape-- Has anyone mentioned or noticed that the same thing happened to Troi a few years back? She was mind raped in Violations too.

Two rapes directed at the same character-- fetish territory.


The deleted scene in Nemesis, where Wesley is at Riker's wedding acting like 16 year old Wesley, as if nothing ever happened .

And it comes off a bit weird.


Nemesis gets too many hits in the bad scene department-- it was just a poorly thought out movie, it seems.


Insurrection--The Enterprise is fighting an enemy ship. The Enterprise gets hit, and there's an explosion on the bridge.

After about a three second delay a crewman is lifted off his feet and goes flying through the air.

I wasn't even looking to notice it, it was just too hard not to notice--bad special effects.

 

At the physical level, it is the brain or mind that receives all the physical senses. At that point what you feel in your mind is equivalent and as real as "the real thing." There would be no difference to the senses. Only the flesh isn't damaged.

 

There is a reason Vulcans aren't my favourite species *shifts eyes*

Joking aside the average Vulcan at the very least has a high moral standard and at least would not do *more* to you mind than necessary and won't have their "fun" with your brain.

We don't know that, since telepathic powers don't exist in real life we don't know if a telepathic rape would not be worse than a physical one. Theoretically a telepath can do all sorts of nasty things to you; bombarding you with painful memories, making you hallucinate your worst fears, making you live through torture, isolation, chocking despair... in one issue of X-Men Emma Frost punished an assassin by erasing her happiest memories from her mind, leaving her only with the nagging knowledge that they existed.

 

The worst thing about that scene is that it's the best set in the movie, and the nearest it comes to even looking close to a bigger than TV movie then they spoil it with that background!

EDIT. Wrong thread oops!

 

Unfortunately, physical rape already does that, too, which is why it can't be minimized, and why it's so horrific in the first place. Mental rape, I imagine, operates on a parallel level, but it still hits all the benchmarks.

But in any case, fictional mental rape doesn't and shouldn't trivialize the impact of physical rape in the first place; it's still an analogue, like what Trek does with other topics. If anything, it should amplify and contextualize just how horrific real-world rape and violation truly is. Simply talking and exploring the effects of rape doesn't minimize rape itself. And like many things, how it's handled and treated by the characters is itself important, too. And this is where I feel Nemesis stumbles so badly, a sign of lost humanity for the sake of trying to be grim n' gritty. The mental rape itself doesn't trivialize physical rape, it's how it was treated and used in the story as mere shock value that trivialized physical rape.

 

Oh man, please don't believe that I underestimate or trivialize actual physical rape, I just meant that I can imagine mental rape going even beyond that another step farther/deeper.

I agree that Nemesis and all of Troi's mental violations never handle it very well. Troi never suffers any trauma from them, she just snaps back into being same old Deanna, moments after she was violated.
As I said in an earlier post, the only time they actually explored the repercussions actual rape would have on someone was with Picard in Family and First Contact.

My enjoyment of the other Troi scene where she is finally FINALLY allowed to use her powers to kick ass, has nothing to do with the horribly handled rape scene and I would have preferred to just have her kick ass, without being violated beforehand.

 

Oh no, I didn't mean you. I meant generally speaking, and was piggy-backing off your point. Sorry if it came across as accusatory; that wasn't my intent.

 

Did you read my follow up post?

 

Ah I see, don't worry no problem. I was just worried that people might have misunderstood me.