Single BEST Trek movie to date (not favourite)

[Bones2]

And not including First Contact, one of the most acclaimed films, is also stupid. All you've really done is include your favourites in the poll.

 

[CobraCommander]

The best IMO:

1) ST II: Wrath of Khan (true story of the underdog all alone and on his own)

---very closely followed by----

2) STVI: Undiscovered Country (the battle scenes and cinema quality make this film seem like it would belong in a present day cinema.)



* In terms of TNG: ST First contact was the one film worthy of being in a cinema.

Cobra

 

[Chrisisall]

But - as I said upthread - trying to judge which movie is "best" (based not on which one is our favorite, but on which one is simply the most well executed) is less subjective than simply picking which one you found the most entertaining (hence, the ability to recognize that something you didn't like is well-done, just not for you, or the reverse; recognizing that something you really enjoy is heavily flawed), but it's certainly not ENTIRELY objective.

You throw up a most well-stated argument, sir. I will admit the non-mathematical lack of precise "objectivity" when discussing works of art. You are most persuasive.

And you still haven't really explained why you picked only those five movies.

Next Generation movies are not true life forms.

And not including First Contact, one of the most acclaimed films, is also stupid. All you've really done is include your favourites in the poll.

My thread may be worthless, but it HAS generated some fascinating discussion.
All of this is moot. TUC is the best movie. Anyone that does not agree can go watch Tyrell & Chekov beam down to a planet their computers haven't fully identified.

 

[James Wright]

I said Undiscovered Country because it reminds me of the Cold War between the United States and its NATO allies and the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact.
TVH would be my second choice!

James

 

[Chrisisall]

I said Undiscovered Country because it reminds me of the Cold War between the United States and its NATO allies and the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact.

Your ability to reason clearly indeed serves you well.

 

[ialfan]

All of this is moot. TUC is the best movie. Anyone that does not agree can go watch Tyrell & Chekov beam down to a planet their computers haven't fully identified.

And anyone who thinks TUC is the best movie can watch Uhura comment on the Enterprise carrying equipment to catalog gaseous anomalies...which is what the Excelsior's been doing...not Enterprise. They couldn't even remember which ship is which when writing the script.

That said I like TUC but I find it to be a slightly guilty pleasure compared to other films. This thread is pretty much rigged for the op to praise TUC. Especially since over half of the films aren't on the poll.

 

[Chrisisall]

This thread is pretty much rigged for the op to praise TUC

I agree, if the OP loves this movie so much, he should marry it.

 

[Bones2]

My thread may be worthless, but it HAS generated some fascinating discussion.

Fooled me.

Btw, any chance you could tone down the emoticon use? A few less might make you more tolerable.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

None of the ones in your poll, although I would put XI after it.

Star Trek: First Contact

It and Star Trek XI are the only two movies I would show to a non-ST fan. All of the others (except maybe VI and XI) are a little too esoteric. I think it was constructed extremely well, has the best tense moments, soundtrack, visual effects, and design, and it has a story you can appreciate as self-contained even if it helps to have seen BOBW and Q, Who first.

WoK was "too esoteric"? You really don't need to have seen "Space Seed" to get it, as Khan has a wonderful monologue that delivers all the exposition you need.

To the OP: your stated thesis is a non-sequitor: whatever film you feel is the best is going to be your favorite film (of the Trek films), is it not?

 

[darkwing_duck1]

All of this is moot. TUC is the best movie. Anyone that does not agree can go watch Tyrell & Chekov beam down to a planet their computers haven't fully identified.

And anyone who thinks TUC is the best movie can watch Uhura comment on the Enterprise carrying equipment to catalog gaseous anomalies...which is what the Excelsior's been doing...not Enterprise. They couldn't even remember which ship is which when writing the script.

No reason Enterprise's last mission couldn't have been to do the same...

 

[Shazam!]

This thread is amazing.

 

[Shazam!]

Incidently, TMP and TFF are the best 'Star Trek' films.

 

[Chrisisall]

Btw, any chance you could tone down the emoticon use? A few less might make you more tolerable.

I will attempt to comply.

In the future.

To the OP: your stated thesis is a non-sequitor: whatever film you feel is the best is going to be your favorite film (of the Trek films), is it not?

Not at all. I feel the best is Undiscovered Country, yet my FAVOURITE is TMP. You see, I can separate my personal likes from more objective reasoning. In the same way I can say 2001 is a better film than 2010, yet I like 2010 better. See?

This thread is amazing.

Thank you.

Incidently, TMP and TFF are the best 'Star Trek' films.

Being wrong does not make you a bad person or anything.

 

[Shazam!]

Incidently, TMP and TFF are the best 'Star Trek' films.

Being wrong does not make you a bad person or anything.

I actually kinda misunderstood the question and whilst I maintain that the two are the best STAR TREK films (without necessarily being my favourites) they aren't the best Star Trek FILMS.

 

[Chrisisall]

whilst I maintain that the two are the best STAR TREK films (without necessarily being my favourites) they aren't the best Star Trek FILMS.

Okay, I getcha.

The best movie as a MOVIE without any regard as to its "Star Trekkieness" or not would be TMP IMO, as it can be viewed as just a good SF movie, and the best movie measured JUST by its "Trekkieness" might be TFF. I still maintain myself, that TUC is the most sucessful of both worlds.

 

[Bones2]

Incidently, TMP and TFF are the best 'Star Trek' films.

I know what you mean, but does TMP really count that way? Essentially, it's taken some unknown to fly right to them and start threatening to destroy Earth before they do some discovering.

And never has the unknown been so boring...

 

[Chrisisall]

And never has the unknown been so boring...

Ahhh... a Michael Bay ADD-film-making fan.



Sorry for the emoticon- I'm an addict.

 

[Bones2]

And never has the unknown been so boring...

Ahhh... a Michael Bay ADD-film-making fan.

Don't you swear at me.

 

[Chrisisall]

Don't you swear at me.

Appy-olly-logies.