Singer and song from First Contact movie

[Iamnotspock]

Like waht, okay ... you asked:

• To begin with, the entire movie's plot is cenetered around a temporal implausibility: if you go back (the borg) and destroy your enemy before they become so, they they will have never been so and you'd never have had a reason to go back in the first place.
  
• All the characters were reduced to mere shells of what they were in the series. Riker accomplishes nothing in this film; Picard becomes some kind of war fighting Patton, despite his intelligence and the way he handled himself in "I, Borg"; Data goes no where -- he does not advance any further; Beverly is like that black kid in "South Park" -- just there sometimes; Troi does nothing; Geordi does nothing. None of the characters go anywhere.
  
• The entire movie was poorly constructed but this might have been because several changes were made:
  1. The new Enterprise was meant to be larger than the D.
  2. It was originally supposed to be jus the Borg, as in the TNG series, but Paramount fealt it needed a villain, so they had to re-write it to squeeze a poorly constructed one in.
  3. Going back to help Cochran is like some shitty fan film.
  4. The dialogue was mostly bad.
  5. No character development, which could have been forgiven had the film been written better.
  
• The new ship is ugly.
  
• The new uniforms are ugly.
  
• Picard and his book smart, classic music listening, instrument playing, acheaological studiying brain is reduced to Rambo mentallity; and Rambo was better! And one liners and fake emotions.
  
• Worf was also reduced to his basic Klingon stereotypes of honor and anger and blood.
  
• Geordi already stated he didn't want new eyes in the series, so why get ones that are obviously so.
  
• Why do the Borg send one ship for an invasion? The Federation already proved it can defeat that, and in one episode of Voyager, when the Borg invaded a world for the first time, they send multiple cubes and the queen's ship!
  
• To partially quote Spcok, "only human arrogance". Why is the human race and Earth so important? time and time again Trek -- though it's various spin offs -- has shown many races are vastly suerior. Shy why keep concentrating your effort in a technologically lacking race in another quadrant.
  
• The Borg are no longer what they were in the series and are now like random bad guys you see get shot up.
  
• The nanoprobes thing goes completely against the facts presented in TNG episodes.
  
• Going back to the temporal impossibility of the plot, why are the Borg even trying to assimilated and take over the Enterprise E and stop Cochran? While those eventa happen in the present tense, back in the future history has long since recorded the Brog FAILED, so why don't the Borg send another ship to take out the Enterprise E in the past? they already know their plan didn't go the way they wanted it to.
  
• It wasn't character driven, but the first real time a Trek film had pandered to the Hollywood mentallity of bad guys and killing. Rather poor if you ask me.
  
• Suddenly ythe Borg have an area of the ship that is of key vital importance? What a McGuffin!
  
• Why the friggin Borg? Berman knew there weren't going to be as many movies, why did he waste this and not create a film that further some or all of the characters along, as "Generations" did with Picard & Data.

The only saving grace, Jerry & Joel Goldsmith's fantastically dark score. Which only proves that if Joel took his father's way of scoring, he'd probably be doing more Hollywood features.


These are only ones that I came up with off the top of my head just now, i'm sure more will come to light.

Some fair points, but little that can't be excused for the sake of dramatic license, and a fair few of these points amount to "Things I dislike," and those aren't necessarily faults of the movie.

 

[Trekker4747]

This is a very bizarre critique.

Slightly more bizarre to respond to something said seven years ago.

 

[dg1379]

Holy crap! I didn't catch the date on this. How the hell do these threads pop up?

 

[2takesfrakes]

That's what I would like to know!

 

[Trekker4747]

Holy crap! I didn't catch the date on this. How the hell do these threads pop up?

Indicator for me was seeing the checkmark next to the thread indicating I had posted in it but I didn't recall the thread, so I checked the last time it was posted in before the newest post.

I kind of wonder how these threads get dredged up as well, I mean you have to dig damn deep into the past to find this old of a thread in a board as active as this one.

 

[HIjol]

Perhaps THIS is a good time for a Big Fat Lens Flare????...prithy?...yes?...

Seems 7 or 70 years does not reduce our Passion for the Thing one iota...

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Typically, a necrotic thread like this gets closed when beamed in from the distant past. In this case, though, it is evidently the result of a well-meaning search so let's leave it dusted off and standing for further comment. It will probably sink slowly of its own accord, just like in 2007.

 

[Alrik]

It does contain some interesting comments and opinions.

I will admit that I was surprised to see Tharpdavenport posting and I didn't recognize Uriel. In further digging, Tharp hasn't posted since January, and Uriel must of flamed out a week after the post up-thread, never to be seen again, so that explains that.

On topic, even with all of it's faults I still find FC watchable and even enjoyable. That makes it one of two of the TNG movies I will watch. In my world, the first and last are just dream sequences not to be bothered with.

 

[Nebusj]

Indicator for me was seeing the checkmark next to the thread indicating I had posted in it but I didn't recall the thread, so I checked the last time it was posted in before the newest post.

I had the same reaction: why was there this thread I didn't recognize with the checkmark showing I'd written to it? And to see a thread from before my long, unexplained disappearance from the board suddenly pop back was a surprise.