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Since *when* does Kirk speak perfect Romulan?

Chrisisall

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Just watched "Enterprise Incident", and there were two instances where Kirk, dressed as a Centurian, spoke to Romulan dudes on the Romulan Flagship, and there was no "What? You speak strangely!" or anything.:wtf:
Or, is there a Universal Translator in his fake Romulan ear?
:guffaw:
 
Either the Romulans were all speaking English anyway, or the UT was converting everything into the listeners' native language. In both cases, the Romulans wouldn't have known Kirk was any different.
 
One would think that the UT, or at least the military variant of it, would have a feature that alerts the user whenever some translating is taking place. "Alert! You are not hearing your native language! This is the language of your enemy being translated by your friendly implant!".

Then again, it seems to suffice to have a UT in just one end of the conversation, as in "Little Green Men". Could your UT tell if the incoming language is emanating from a native speaker or from his UT?

Timo Saloniemi
 
There's a fit Romulan woman wearing a miniskirt in that episode. I think you're focusing on the wrong thing.
 
With any Star Trek movie or episode as far as language goes, universal translator or not, you just have to go with the flow.
 
If we're going to get nit-picky, I'm always bothered by the fact that with a UT, why the Hell aren't the words and lip movements out of sinc?!
 
Why does anyone think a universal translator was used? We only saw them used twice; in "Arena", one was give to Kirk by the Metrons. In "Metamorphosis" Kirk uses one to speak with the Companion. It's a microphone-sized gizmo. I don't think one was ever seen again. In every other episode, the aliens spoke English, and there was no universal translator being waved about.

And don't tell me they "might have had one implanted in their brain". That's just conjecture.

Anyway, how do we know Kirk couldn't speak Romulan? It's just like all those WWII movies where the Nazis all speak English with bad accents for the audience's benefit.
 
Just watched "Enterprise Incident", and there were two instances where Kirk, dressed as a Centurian, spoke to Romulan dudes on the Romulan Flagship, and there was no "What? You speak strangely!" or anything.:wtf:
Or, is there a Universal Translator in his fake Romulan ear?
:guffaw:


Yes.
 
Once it was learned that Romulans were related to Vulcans, I would imagine working out their language would be relatively easy (basically, a variant on ancient Vulcan).
 
Once it was learned that Romulans were related to Vulcans, I would imagine working out their language would be relatively easy (basically, a variant on ancient Vulcan).

That's a logical theory. :vulcan: And also, Kirk has a knack for languages. In TSFS, after hearing Kruge say a phrase in Klingon once, he repeats it a few minutes later, with such good pronunciation, that the Klingons beam him up to their ship!
 
Kirk was never shown to have a head for languages, though. ;)

In ST3, Kirk apparently doesn't speak any Klingonese - in order to get beamed up from the dying planet, he has to try and imitate the one word he has overheard ("Jooooichu!") and hope that it works. He doesn't look as if he understands what he's saying. He's merely going monkey-hear-monkey-say, doing a passable but imperfect rendering of two syllables. This after spending a lifetime at war (cold or hot) with the species. ST5 and ST6 only confirm he doesn't get Klingon jokes...

Hey, even Uhura doesn't know much of the language, as we see in ST6. And she is a communications specialist. Obviously, something other than mere linguistic skill is used as the preferred means of communicating with alien species. So, even if we don't hear of UT implants in the TOS era, it seems pretty clear they are already a fixture.

Which helps explain this one:

If we're going to get nit-picky, I'm always bothered by the fact that with a UT, why the Hell aren't the words and lip movements out of sinc?!
If the UT is an implant, then it probably isn't an "internal loudspeaker" at all. It doesn't translate sound. Rather, it translates neural signals after the ear has picked them up.

If the brain keeps hearing English (and here we assume the audience is wearing UTs as well), it is likely to automatically adapt and start seeing English, too. The one thing that the brain does well, and probably is primarily built for, is deluding itself.

If this isn't enough, then the UT implant could fiddle a bit with the visual signal processing in the brain, too. Nothing as clumsy as creating false signals of English lip movements. No, much better to let the brain do the translating, and merely send subtle cues that tell the brain to ignore the original lip movements and substitute its own, better fitting ones. We could probably do that today, with a little effort.

Timo Saloniemi
 
In ST3, Kirk apparently doesn't speak any Klingonese - in order to get beamed up from the dying planet, he has to try and imitate the one word he has overheard ("Jooooichu!") and hope that it works. He doesn't look as if he understands what he's saying.
I always just assumed he wanted one of these ;)
 
Let's consider the context. Kirk was ordered on a spy mission to infiltrate the Romulan ship and steal the cloaking device. Impersonating a Romulan officer wasn't spur-of-the-moment, it was something he was ordered in advance to do. So presumably his preparation for that mission would've included studying the Romulan language. According to Spock, Kirk had not "been himself for several weeks," meaning he must've gotten the orders weeks in advance and spent the intervening time acting increasingly erratic to lay the groundwork for his insanity plea, as it were. So he would've had plenty of time to develop sufficient fluency in Romulan to pull off the impersonation.
 
If Spock can mind meld the Melkotian bullets away, I'm sure he could mind-meld in some "Romulan For Dummies" lessons.
 
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