Simon Pegg suggests that the Kelvin timeline is (essentially) a reboot

[Terok Nor]

Um, yeah, actually, you did.

Dennis was the one to bring up DS9. Re-read the thread. I still don't know what the intention of that was.

Perhaps don't diminish someone's interest then?

Tell that to Dennis, the man who brought up DS9 for reasons known only to himself.

What's wrong with a reference regardless of the mechanics of time travel? If it's originating from Kirk's birth, then ENT is still relevant. If it is a quantum copy generated by the red matter singularity then it might still be relevant as events could have unfolded similarly.

It's only a problem for the Department of Temporal Investigations department.

Fair enough. What a pity it's taken this many posts for someone to actually offer up a reply to the question I posed. Thank you.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You're getting carried away. I wasn't the one who brought up DS9. Why was it mentioned anyway? Because of my username? TNG is my favourite Trek so if it was an attempt to antagonise me it has failed.

DS9 seemed to be part of the conversation. That's why I mentioned it. Why would you think mentioning it was meant to antagonize? You mentioned it in comparison ENT, so it's relevant. I happen to like it more than ENT myself. I also like it more than TNG. It doesn't change the point I was making.

What has the fact it was the last spin off got to do with anything? It was the last spin off for a reason. It was low rated and axed. TOS suffered the same fate but grew in popularity through re-runs. If Enterprise has managed to scale those heights also it has certainly passed me by.

I mention it because it's fresher in the minds of people, even if it's "that was last one, right? I heard it sucked". No idea how popular it is right now or will be in the future. Don't actually care.

Not being highly rated is no reason to not reference something. Being a steaming pile of crap (In My Opinion) is. When JJ and Pegg finally agree on whether the new movies are a brand new universe from the big bang onwards or from NuKirk's birth onwards we can give Enteprise and it's place in the fictional history of Star Trek a more in depth discussion

I assume they will continue to go back and forth on that. And they will continue to cherry pick what they want from past shows and movies.

FYI, I'm glad you loved Enterprise. My original post was about Pegg's comment regarding the JJVerse timeline. If it's a new timeline from top to bottom why bother referencing any previous shows at all? Even if Enterprise took place in the JJ timeline it wasn't the show we know and featured alternate reality versions of the characters having different adventures just like NuKirk and crew. That's if we go with Pegg's latest statement about the JJVerse timeline.

Love? I don't think I said that. I've only mentioned it in the context be being the last show and there for fresher in the minds of people who might have a faint memory of what went before.
As for referencing past shows. People like that sort of thing.

 

[Terok Nor]

DS9 seemed to be part of the conversation. That's why I mentioned it. Why would you think mentioning it was meant to antagonize? You mentioned it in comparison ENT, so it's relevant. I happen to like more that ENT myself. I also like it more than TNG. Don't change the point I was making.

DS9 was part of the conversation because Dennis mentioned it randomly for reasons only he is privy to.

I mention it because it's fresher in the minds of people, even if it's "that was last one, right? I heard it sucked". No idea how popular it is right now or will be in the future. Don't actually care

I'm not sure that's how it actually works. Wouldn't someone be quicker to mention "the one with the bald English guy", "the one with the black captain" or "the one with the female captain"? I really don't see Enteprise being remembered just because it was the last one.

I assume they will continue to go back and forth on that. And they will continue to cherry pick what they want from past shows and movies

It appears that way.

Love? I don't think I said that. I've only mentioned it in the context be being the last show and there for fresher in the minds of people who might have a faint memory of what went before

Sorry to misquote you.

Fresher in what way? It was hardly watched and got canned. Surely the JJ Trek movies, the iconic Original Series or the hugely popular TNG would spring to mind long before Enterprise. I mean, it looks like CSI : Cyber is going to be the end of that franchise but it's not going to be the first one I think of. The original one or the one with David Caruso would cross my mind the second anyone mentions CSI.

As for referencing past shows. People like that sort of thing.

I'm one of them but I can live without Enteprise references. The series (IMO) was a mess from start to finish but each to their own. It has its fans and a lot more than 10 people I'm sure

 

[Nerys Myk]

DS9 was part of the conversation because Dennis mentioned it randomly for reasons only he is privy to.

Not sure how that impacts what I chose to reply to. If you mention Ds9 in a post, I can respond to that post. I don't have to limit my responses to Dennis just because he introduced DS9 into the conversation.

 

[eyeresist]

Tell that to Dennis, the man who brought up DS9 for reasons known only to himself.

Dennis didn't respond to that, but I think he meant that DS9 is a bit of a cult show compared to the large fandoms for TOS and TNG. ENT was the most recent series, with the most modern look and the only one made in 16:9, so for those reasons there might be more awareness among younger viewers (who I understand are referred to as "millennials" ).

 

[fireproof78]

Dennis was the one to bring up DS9. Re-read the thread. I still don't know what the intention of that was.
Tell that to Dennis, the man who brought up DS9 for reasons known only to himself.

You could ask him.

Still doesn't explain the attitude towards ENT. If people remember it (I certainly do, and I only saw a few episodes) then why is that a big deal? ENT was actually gaining viewers in Season 4 before it was shot in the head with "These are the Voyages." Terra Prime is one of my top favorite Trek episodes-ever.

Fair enough. What a pity it's taken this many posts for someone to actually offer up a reply to the question I posed. Thank you.

Star Trek has referenced a wide variety of things across the years. There is no reason to expect consistency now.

Still not sure why the Kelvin time means that the films are less impactful? That part still confuses me.

 

[Terok Nor]

Not sure how that impacts what I chose to reply to. If you mention Ds9 in a post, I can respond to that post. I don't have to limit my responses to Dennis just because he introduced DS9 into the conversation.

I took from your post you assumed I was bigging up my "fave show" DS9 and crapping on Enterprise in order to big it up? Since I wasn't the one who introduced DS9 to the conversation (Dennis was) I took issue with your post about my supposed love for DS9. I don't need to crap on any other show to big up the ones I like. It's childish and stupid.

TNG is my fave anyway

 

[Nerys Myk]

I took from your post you assumed I was bigging up my "fave show" DS9 and crapping on Enterprise in order to big it up? Since I wasn't the one who introduced DS9 to the conversation (Dennis was) I took issue with your post about my supposed love for DS9. I don't need to crap on any other show to big up the ones I like. It's childish and stupid.

TNG is my fave anyway

You assumed wrong. My first post in the thread was about ENT being the last show aired.

 

[Terok Nor]

You could ask him.

He could also return to the thread and explain it himself to clear up the confusion.

Still doesn't explain the attitude towards ENT. If people remember it (I certainly do, and I only saw a few episodes) then why is that a big deal? ENT was actually gaining viewers in Season 4 before it was shot in the head with "These are the Voyages." Terra Prime is one of my top favorite Trek episodes-ever.

I already explained this. Pegg is saying the JJVerse retroactively began with the big bang. There's no need to mention Enteprise (which would not be the same version of events from the series) and certainly no demand for it from what I've seen. If there's a large cult of Enterprise fans demanding it be referenced then I stand corrected.

Still not sure why the Kelvin time means that the films are less impactful? That part still confuses me.

I can only speak for myself but I can't muster up the will to care if alternate reality versions of characters live or die. I understand and fully accept the original actors are too old or too deceased to play these roles anymore and it's a way to continue TOS (even though it was supposed to end with TUC) but I'll always think they aren't the real versions of the characters. A reboot would have been a proper fresh start but the old universe is still out there with all 700 episodes and 10 movies so i undermines the new movies somewhat (IMO).

 

[Terok Nor]

You assumed wrong.

So what did you mean?

 

[Nerys Myk]

So what did you mean?

Exactly what I posted.

Enterprise ended this Century. DS9 ended last Century. That alone will make it fresher in peoples minds. Ratings are irrelevant.

 

[M'Sharak]

As the original thread topic appears to have been settled to the satisfaction of the OP, this thread is now closed.

@Terok Nor, if you want to have a thread in which the focus is on you, you'll have to go start one specifically for that purpose.

But not in this forum.