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Simon Pegg suggests that the Kelvin timeline is (essentially) a reboot

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For those who missed it yesterday:

"With the Kelvin timeline, we are not entirely beholden to existing canon, this is an alternate reality and, as such is full of new and alternate possibilities. “BUT WAIT!” I hear you brilliant and beautiful super Trekkies cry, “Canon tells us, Hikaru Sulu was born before the Kelvin incident, so how could his fundamental humanity be altered? Well, the explanation comes down to something very Star Treky; theoretical, quantum physics and the less than simple fact that time is not linear."

"Sure, we experience time as a contiguous series of cascading events but perception and reality aren’t always the same thing. Spock’s incursion from the Prime Universe created a multidimensional reality shift. The rift in space/time created an entirely new reality in all directions, top to bottom, from the Big Bang to the end of everything. As such this reality was, is and always will be subtly different from the Prime Universe. I don’t believe for one second that Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t have loved the idea of an alternate reality (Mirror, Mirror anyone?)."

"This means, and this is absolutely key, the Kelvin universe can evolve and change in ways that don’t necessarily have to follow the Prime Universe at any point in history, before or after the events of Star Trek ‘09, it can mutate and subvert, it is a playground for the new and the progressive and I know in my heart, that Gene Roddenberry would be proud of us for keeping his ideals alive. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, this was his dream, that is our dream, it should be everybody’s."

To simplify, this seems to suggest that prime Spock arrived via time travel in a different quantum possibility of the Star Trek universe. If there exists a different quantum possibility for every different probability that has ever existed, Nero and Spock didn't arrive at a time earlier in their own timelines, but rather entered one of these alternate quantum probabilities.

To translate this into drama parlance, it basically means the Kelvin timeline is a full reboot - explaining every inconsistency. Because it would mean that this possibility has been running differently since the big bang. Although it is a mirror universe, for all intents and purposes, they are beholden to nothing from the original universe - explaining Chekov's age, the size of ships, Khan's ethnic features, etc.
 
They shouldn't have started the "reboot" the way it did then. It basically means every time Kirk, Picard and the rest time travelled they did the same thing, started some "mutated" alternate universe and hence came back to that mutated crap. Sorry, technobabble from a hack who realizes he messed up.
 
They shouldn't have started the "reboot" the way it did then. It basically means every time Kirk, Picard and the rest time travelled they did the same thing, started some "mutated" alternate universe and hence came back to that mutated crap. Sorry, technobabble from a hack who realizes he messed up.

Or......

Maybe they really did time travel, but essentially, Simon Pegg is saying Spock and Nero time travelled AND entered what Trekkies would call a "mirror universe" at the same time - to translate the quantum possibility into classical Trek jargon.
 
Dammit Simon, I don't care what you say. DATA'S HEAD IS STILL UNDER SAN FRANCISCO!!

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Being a fantasy fan, who is aware of such literary tropes and devices, I can understand where you are coming from, but must point out that in many areas of sci-fi, authors often try to align practicalities with technical considerations and the like - call it a feature of the genre - maybe reflecting its origins in enlightenment thinking, as opposed to romanticism. It's not really fair to compare something like Neil Gaiman or Doctor Who with Star Trek or 2001: A Space Odyssey.
 
I've always like the alternate timeline bit and how that was established early on. You see, Battlestar Galactica came in as a reboot which made a lot of classic Battlestar Galactica Fans mad. So when Doctor Who came along they acknowledged the classic material in their series and all was well. Star Trek seemed to also learn from this by having Spock Prime around and establishing that this was a alternate timeline. Very cleaver. And with that, no matter how good or bad the current movies do, you always have the Prime universe elsewhere. What makes it interesting in how they did this and how the two timelines line up is that no else from Prime can ever cross over. :/
 
Why couldn't someone from the Prime go to the hollywood universe? I mean Vulcan will still blow up right?
 
Didn't Quinto Spock say in Star Trek 2009 that the Romulan ship travelling back in time created a brand new timeline from that point onwards? How can it always have existed then? Back peddling at its finest.

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Of course it's a reboot. They did their best to throw a sop to the folks that they knew would freak out about that, which I always thought was fairly useless - trying to get fans to not complain on the Internet is like trying to dig a hole through the Earth to the other side of the world.
 
Didn't Quinto Spock say in Star Trek 2009 that the Romulan ship travelling back in time created a brand new timeline from that point onwards? How can it always have existed then? Back peddling at its finest.

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Because if all moments in time actually exist simultaneously, and the sense that the past passes out of existence and the future does not yet exist is just an illusion based on our perception, then the Romulan ship always traveled back at that precise moment in the timeline and the nuTrek universe always existed as a product of that.

This is borne out by the fact that the nuTrek timeline does not really begin at the Kelvin attack but at the Big Bang, just like every other timeline.
 
Didn't Quinto Spock say in Star Trek 2009 that the Romulan ship travelling back in time created a brand new timeline from that point onwards? How can it always have existed then? Back peddling at its finest.

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And it's not back peddling, it's retconning, which is a scifi staple.
 
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