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Silly Sci-Fi Inventions

Trekker4747

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And I'm not talking about warp-drive or transporters here. I'm talking about "common" inventions we see a lot in popular sci-fi movies and TV.

For example.

In Star Wars on Tatooine we've seen hover-rickshaws being pulled around by robots.

Now, on the surface it looks neat and "spacey" and "futurisitc" but then we have to consider the logic of this.

On a planet as poor, ravaged, and destitute as Tatooine it is somehow cheaper and easier to build, maintain and have a robot-drawn hover-rickshaw than it is a conventional rickshaw with the ancient technology of the wheel being pulled by a peasant working for a hot meal at the end of the day.

Any other curious examples of "future technology" we've seen in Sci-Fi that fails under this scrutiny?
 
The irony is of course that something is advanced enough to hover on its own... Yet it needs to be manually pushed. :D :D :D
 
You could make the same complaint about anything that uses some kind of invisible beam or forcefield to do the job of a nice, simple solid object. Forcefields in particular -- why make a prison door that ceases to exist if the power goes out? Why waste the power in the first place when you can just use a door?

The same goes for tractor beams. A gravitational pull wouldn't really work like a tow cable, and it wouldn't hold anything in a fixed position; it's just a force in a particular direction, and can be resisted with a force in a different direction. Even if you could rig some sufficiently convoluted combination of gravitational fields to achieve the desired effect, it would be vastly simpler just to use a really strong cable, such as one woven from carbon nanotubes.

Futuristic aircraft that don't have aerodynamic shapes, like Starfleet shuttlecraft. Why should our understanding of aerodynamics regress?
 
Futuristic aircraft that don't have aerodynamic shapes, like Starfleet shuttlecraft. Why should our understanding of aerodynamics regress?
Well they are mainly designed to fly in space. I would guess that when they do fly in the atmosphere impulse engines are powerful enough that lift isn't required for them to fly.

Of course some of the later shuttles like the Delta Flyer and the shuttles on the Enterprise E did look more aerodynamic then many of the earlier shuttles.

Some of the designs on the earlier Starfleet shuttles look so ugly that I feel sorry for the person who had to design them.
 
One thing that I've never understood is starfighters in capital ship combat in Star Wars. Besides smashing into the bridge of a ship or destroying the power core of a moon sized space station what good can they do against capital ships?

I can understand it in Battlestar Galactica since the ships don't have shields and fighters could do some major damage, but are Star Wars starfighters some how able to bypass shields on capital ships?
 
I always like noticing the technologies that should exist, but don't, just for the benefit of the story.

-Spaceships that lack sensors in all public areas, that record not just visible light (like the aliens lurking in the corridors who are about to overpower the bridge crew) but also important stuff like radiation, poison gas, etc. Personally, I'd insist these devices also be in all private areas as well. Part of being in Starfleet means your every action will be monitored at all times. It's not like they're on vacation, right?

-Starfleet's lack of any apparent means of recording and retrieving info on the interesting alien species they encounter, which would have allowed Picard to access pre-existing data on the Ferengi and the Borg when he encountered them for the "first" time. (And no, they don't need to know their name - just images from all those recording devices Starfleet should be using at all times combined with the advanced facial recognition programs they should have would do just fine.) Very odd oversight in an organization that claims exploration is their primary function.

-And everyone's favorite: the decon chamber being used to screen out bad stuff rather than just doing it the easy way, with the transporter.
One thing that I've never understood is starfighters in capital ship combat in Star Wars.

I'd go the opposite: why not have masses of small vessels (preferably drones, not manned) to send against large capital ships? The "swarm" approach could be very effective, especially if any given vessel were disposable.

Which gets to another larger issue - why are so many presumably valuable humanoids still fighting battles when drones and robots could be taking most of the risks? This would be particularly important in democratic organizations like the Federation, where risking humanoid life would be a political impediment, and not so much for the Galactic Empires of sci fi.
 
I'd go the opposite: why not have masses of small vessels (preferably drones, not manned) to send against large capital ships? The "swarm" approach could be very effective, especially if any given vessel were disposable.

Which gets to another larger issue - why are so many presumably valuable humanoids still fighting battles when drones and robots could be taking most of the risks? This would be particularly important in democratic organizations like the Federation, where risking humanoid life would be a political impediment, and not so much for the Galactic Empires of sci fi.

But if you did do small masses of drones I would guess that capital ships would have even more smaller lasers that would basically serve the same purpose as AA guns on battleships. I'm not exactly an expert on Star Wars capital ships but I would imagine that most large capital ships have to have at least a decent number of smaller laser cannons with the smaller support ships they're typically surrounded by also having a decent number, along with their own starfighter support.

As for Droid fighters we did see that in the prequel trilogy. I'm guessing it must not be as cost effective as human pilots or else I'm sure the rebels would use them due to their lack of manpower, reserving their pilots for long range missions or important missions. The Empire has so many pilots that I'm guessing having people die isn't a big problem.

I wonder if transmission technology in Star Wars is fast enough that humans could pilot local fighters inside of capital ships. The only possible problem with that is if the opponent isn't also remotely piloting ships and jams the enemy from transmitting.
 
Futuristic aircraft that don't have aerodynamic shapes, like Starfleet shuttlecraft. Why should our understanding of aerodynamics regress?

They fly in space, they don't need to worry about the dynamics of travel through Air. And in the event that they would travel in an atmosphere, they would need to be designed to handle atmospheric entry as priority over aerodynamics.

I mean, our space ships now aren't aerodynamic. The space shuttle drops like a brick to land, it doesn't glide or generate any kind of lift. Its wings are there just there to have landing flaps to raise the nose up
 
Strange... the shuttle DOES generate lift..after all it's a GLIDER...the wings have an aerofoil shape though it's a relatively poor glider due to it's hypersonic re-entry characteristics..an Apollo CM even had a glide ratio...

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/geom.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliding_(flight)

In Gerry Anderson's UFO series the interceptor spacecraft were based on the moon..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvzarp5j_T8

seemed a bit useless to me as for a LONG time each month the Earth would be in front of the moon during an alien attack..a space station would make a better basing solution
 
Yes the shuttlecraft have always bothered me. Any atmospheric craft is going to need aerodynamics. To ignore that is just daft, since it's gong to need a ridiculous amount of power to make a brick fly when sticking wings on it would practically do the job for them.
 
Which gets to another larger issue - why are so many presumably valuable humanoids still fighting battles when drones and robots could be taking most of the risks? This would be particularly important in democratic organizations like the Federation, where risking humanoid life would be a political impediment, and not so much for the Galactic Empires of sci fi.

Star Wars showed us why - droids are dumb. Anything that much smarter than the Battle Droids from the prequels and you're running in to "The Measure of a Man" territory - creating a slave race of intelligent machines to fight your battles for you.

Then they rebel, they evolve and the next thing you know your colonies are getting nuked.
 
Futuristic aircraft that don't have aerodynamic shapes, like Starfleet shuttlecraft. Why should our understanding of aerodynamics regress?
Well they are mainly designed to fly in space. I would guess that when they do fly in the atmosphere impulse engines are powerful enough that lift isn't required for them to fly.

But that doesn't make sense. A craft that's designed to be aerodynamic will work just fine in space, but a craft that isn't aerodynamic won't even be capable of functioning in atmosphere. This is why, as someone pointed out above, the Space Shuttle is aerodynamically shaped. Any craft that's designed with atmospheric entry and maneuvering in mind as even part of its function would have to be designed with aerodynamics in mind.

And relying on "powerful impulse engines" is incompetent engineering. Mr. Murphy was an engineer, and Murphy's Law is a basic principle of good engineering design: if your design allows for something to go wrong, then it will go wrong. If you design a shuttlecraft that depends entirely on powerful engines or shaped forcefields to keep from crashing, it's going to crash big-time whenever there's a power failure. That's inept design. You want a design that can still function as a glider and give you the chance to get the engines going again or glide to a safe landing (remember, the Space Shuttle's landings are entirely unpowered).

Of course some of the later shuttles like the Delta Flyer and the shuttles on the Enterprise E did look more aerodynamic then many of the earlier shuttles.

And the shuttlepods on Enterprise. That's a function of improving budgets and construction techniques. It's costlier and more complex to build a shuttle mockup with curved, aerodynamic contours than it is just to nail a bunch of flat wooden boards together and cover it in paint. If you look at Matt Jefferies' prototype designs for the shuttlecraft, they were much more aerodynamic, but it just wasn't practical to build them on a TV budget. These days, there are probably fabrication techniques that make it easier to produce curved shapes, like vacuforming of fiberglas or something.

-And everyone's favorite: the decon chamber being used to screen out bad stuff rather than just doing it the easy way, with the transporter.

That's not a problem. The decon chamber was only used in Enterprise, a series in which the transporter was still a prototype technology that wasn't quite trusted. They simply wouldn't have developed transporter technology to the point where it could work as a biofilter. That was the whole point of things like the decon chamber in ENT -- to show a less sophisticated level of technology.


And yeah, manned fighter ships don't make any sense in space combat. Their only purpose in Earth-based combat is to deal with things beyond the horizon of a battleship, but in space, there are no horizons. Anything a manned fighter could do, a computer-controlled missile could do just as well, and without the added expense of life support and fuel for a return trip.
 
The Death Star. I can see the budget meeting now:

PALPY: "With this superweapon we will be able to destroy any planet that harbours those Rebel sc-"

ADVISER: "Er, your Emperorness, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just load an old freighter with heavy junk, point it at the planet, and switch the hyperdrive on?"

PALPY: "What?"

ADVISER: "Well, a few thousand tons of mass moving at relativistic speed-"

PALPY: "Oh fuck off. I've wanted a Death Star since I was a Senator, and it's coming out of your paycheck, OK?"
 
On aerodynamics on spacecraft in an atmosphere. I always just "figured" that maybe the ship "generates an airfoil shape" with shields or some-other invisible technology to make lift possible or maybe it's generating a field of "anti gravity" so it doesn't even need to worry about lift to fly (sort of how a Harrier Jump-Jet uses thrusters to achieve VTOL).
 
The Death Star. I can see the budget meeting now:

PALPY: "With this superweapon we will be able to destroy any planet that harbours those Rebel sc-"

ADVISER: "Er, your Emperorness, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just load an old freighter with heavy junk, point it at the planet, and switch the hyperdrive on?"

PALPY: "What?"

ADVISER: "Well, a few thousand tons of mass moving at relativistic speed-"

PALPY: "Oh fuck off. I've wanted a Death Star since I was a Senator, and it's coming out of your paycheck, OK?"

ADVISER: "You can't bully the accounting corps! We will not authorize this expenditure."

PALPY: "Oh...well...um....what if I already built it?"

ADVISER: "You already built one?"

PALPY: "Um...two. One's still waiting on the aluminum siding though."
 
The Death Star. I can see the budget meeting now:

PALPY: "With this superweapon we will be able to destroy any planet that harbours those Rebel sc-"

ADVISER: "Er, your Emperorness, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just load an old freighter with heavy junk, point it at the planet, and switch the hyperdrive on?"

PALPY: "What?"

ADVISER: "Well, a few thousand tons of mass moving at relativistic speed-"

PALPY: "Oh fuck off. I've wanted a Death Star since I was a Senator, and it's coming out of your paycheck, OK?"

ADVISER: "You can't bully the accounting corps! We will not authorize this expenditure."

PALPY: "Oh...well...um....what if I already built it?"

ADVISER: "You already built one?"

PALPY: "Um...two. One's still waiting on the aluminum siding though."

First rule of government spending. Why build one when you can build two for double the price?
 
On aerodynamics on spacecraft in an atmosphere. I always just "figured" that maybe the ship "generates an airfoil shape" with shields or some-other invisible technology to make lift possible or maybe it's generating a field of "anti gravity" so it doesn't even need to worry about lift to fly (sort of how a Harrier Jump-Jet uses thrusters to achieve VTOL).

See above. No competent engineer would design the system in such an unnecessarily complicated way with no backup. Just because something's "futuristic" to our eyes doesn't make it good engineering. The first rule of engineering is "Keep it simple, stupid!" The second rule of good engineering is Murphy's Law: anything you allow to go wrong will go wrong, so make sure your design is as failure-proof as you can make it. Together, those mean that if you need aerodynamics, you use a nice, simple airfoil instead of some overcomplicated forcefield thingy that'll guarantee your death in the event of a power failure.

The only reason Starfleet shuttlecraft are boxy is because the makers of the early shows couldn't afford to build full-sized mockups that were aerodynamic. Everything else is a feeble excuse for that inescapable reality of production. In any realistic design scenario, no matter how advanced the technology, a surface-to-orbit craft would be aerodynamically shaped, because there's simply no good reason for it not to be.
 
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