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Should we bring back the percontation point?

Should we bring back the percontation point?


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What's the point of telling people you are using sarcasm or irony? The joy is in those that take you seriously because they did not get it. A warning system ruins the play.
 
When I'm indicating sarcasm or irony, I like to use this smiley:
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from my own board.

Some point, I'm going to attempt going an entire week on the internet without using a single smilie. I expect some kind of spatial rift will open up and swallow up a good chunk of the planet.

When I first joined TBBS, I never used smilies. I didn't like them taking the place of actual words or dumbing down the context. Now, though, due to innumerable miscommunications by others, it is far simpler for me to use a smiley and save the time and trouble of going back and explaining what I meant.

Couldn't agree more. But sadly have increasingly found them a useful shorthand...

It's become a necessity, really. What's even worse is that, for some reason, this generation is becoming context poor. At least in my experiences, there are a growing number of people who do not grasp context, and totally miss what is being said. More and more often I have to spell out the meaning of what I'm saying because it totally flies over people's heads.

No, it totally defeats the point when you label sarcasm, it's like having to explain the punchline of a joke.
I kind of agree with this. I understand that clearness is one of the most important part of communication, but can you really compare it with the sheer pleasure of looking down on people who didn't understand you were being ironic and/or sarcastic? No, no way I could live without it.

What's the point of telling people you are using sarcasm or irony? The joy is in those that take you seriously because they did not get it. A warning system ruins the play.

I spend the vast majority of my time on this board in Misc & TNZ. At the time I started using my smilies more often, it was due to my experiences on other boards as well, where discussions were derailed by a total lack of understanding, even after repeated explanations. Finally, I just started to use smilies as a way of summarizing a sentence in an effort to fend off future misunderstandings. To do otherwise just gives me a headache.
 
When I'm indicating sarcasm or irony, I like to use this smiley:
e5023671.gif
from my own board.



When I first joined TBBS, I never used smilies. I didn't like them taking the place of actual words or dumbing down the context. Now, though, due to innumerable miscommunications by others, it is far simpler for me to use a smiley and save the time and trouble of going back and explaining what I meant.

Couldn't agree more. But sadly have increasingly found them a useful shorthand...

It's become a necessity, really. What's even worse is that, for some reason, this generation is becoming context poor. At least in my experiences, there are a growing number of people who do not grasp context, and totally miss what is being said. More and more often I have to spell out the meaning of what I'm saying because it totally flies over people's heads.

I kind of agree with this. I understand that clearness is one of the most important part of communication, but can you really compare it with the sheer pleasure of looking down on people who didn't understand you were being ironic and/or sarcastic? No, no way I could live without it.

What's the point of telling people you are using sarcasm or irony? The joy is in those that take you seriously because they did not get it. A warning system ruins the play.

I spend the vast majority of my time on this board in Misc & TNZ. At the time I started using my smilies more often, it was due to my experiences on other boards as well, where discussions were derailed by a total lack of understanding, even after repeated explanations. Finally, I just started to use smilies as a way of summarizing a sentence in an effort to fend off future misunderstandings. To do otherwise just gives me a headache.

100 per cent agree :) Brilliant post. Context is all. But that teacake is another matter. A dangerous, insidious creature to be avoided at all costs...
 
I spend the vast majority of my time on this board in Misc & TNZ. At the time I started using my smilies more often, it was due to my experiences on other boards as well, where discussions were derailed by a total lack of understanding, even after repeated explanations. Finally, I just started to use smilies as a way of summarizing a sentence in an effort to fend off future misunderstandings. To do otherwise just gives me a headache.

You are kinder than me. I'm too busy laughing at being misunderstood to care, or bother straightening it all out.
 
100 per cent agree :) Brilliant post. Context is all. But that teacake is another matter. A dangerous, insidious creature to be avoided at all costs...

Indeed she is. Delightfully dangerous and insidious a creature, not to be underestimated.

You are kinder than me. I'm too busy laughing at being misunderstood to care, or bother straightening it all out.

I have this OCD thing about accuracy. I have to be absolutely, unfailingly 100% accurate in my statements, if I know the information is valid. If I am uncertain, I make it known by adding qualifiers like "possibly" and "I think, but I'm not sure". These qualifiers get ignored so often that I just get frustrated, particularly when political partisanship is involved, where someone is only willing to speak or think in black and white terminology.
 
I have this OCD thing about accuracy. I have to be absolutely, unfailingly 100% accurate in my statements, if I know the information is valid. If I am uncertain, I make it known by adding qualifiers like "possibly" and "I think, but I'm not sure". These qualifiers get ignored so often that I just get frustrated, particularly when political partisanship is involved, where someone is only willing to speak or think in black and white terminology.

Language is all :)
 
I have this OCD thing about accuracy. I have to be absolutely, unfailingly 100% accurate in my statements, if I know the information is valid. If I am uncertain, I make it known by adding qualifiers like "possibly" and "I think, but I'm not sure". These qualifiers get ignored so often that I just get frustrated, particularly when political partisanship is involved, where someone is only willing to speak or think in black and white terminology.

Language is all :)

Agreed.
 
One of the main points of irony is the ambiguity -- the disguise. Having to denote one's irony would take away the power. Can you imagine "A Modest Proposal" with a percontation point following every sentence? A great piece of literature ruined! I am firmly against this percontation point!
 
That might be a good idea. I tend to be a very sarcastic person in real life so i write the same way. Unfortunately I have has some unfortunate misunderstandings here to remind me it doesn't alway translate well.
 
£ = pound sign
# = hash

Your confusion is due to the bygone days of computing.

Computer text was originally encoded in ASCII, which was one byte per character.

European keyboards had £ on shift-3, while American keyboards had # on shift-3. But in both locales, shift-3 encoded to the same ASCII code (hex-23).

What this meant was that when Americans read British documents, hex-23 appeared to them as a hash symbol, even though it was typed as pound sign in Britain. The Americans learned to call # a pound sign because that was how it was being used, even though it's completely wrong to call it that.
I’ve always called “#” the number sign, and it’s usually used to indicate “Number” this or that: 1818 Main Street, Suite #220. Episode #16: Spock Gets a Hernia.

#” has also been used to mean pounds (as in weight), although I heard it called the “pound sign” only infrequently until the advent of touch-tone phone dialing and automated answering systems. (“To continue, please press the pound key. To select another option, press the star key. To speak to a human being — forget it, you’re fucked.”)

I’ve never heard of any connection between “#” and the “£” symbol for British pounds (currency) — and this is the first time I’ve seen it called a “hash.”

Communication is not a guessing game.
That depends on whether we’re talking about people romantically flirting with each other or a doctor writing a prescription.
 
One of the main points of irony is the ambiguity -- the disguise. Having to denote one's irony would take away the power. Can you imagine "A Modest Proposal" with a percontation point following every sentence? A great piece of literature ruined! I am firmly against this percontation point!
(My emphasis)

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:


Should be optional then :)
 
In all my (significant) time in US, never heard # referred to as pound. 'Hash', yes.
 
In all my (significant) time in US, never heard # referred to as pound. 'Hash', yes.

In all my time in the US (my entire life), I have only heard it called "pound" and have never heard it called "hash" until this thread.
 
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