Should they still make movies in the Kelvin Universe? I think the Kelvin Universe has lost some of its luster, the movies have gone down in profitability, the Prime Universe is returning to prominence on TV and Chris Pine may not play Captain Kirk anymore, I wonder if the Kelvin Universe is past its prime.
Should they still make movies in the Kelvin Universe?
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Yes they should.
If they get the band back together - yes. If not - no.
The Kelvin-universe is nothing but a less coherent offspring of the prime universe: Apart from the Kelvin-universe introduced plotholes (Earth-to-Kronos beaming, curing the dead) they're virtual identiy. The Kelvin-timeline lives and dies with this incarnation of actors and characters. If they can't get those back - return to normal.
The Kelvin-universe is nothing but a less coherent offspring of the prime universe: Apart from the Kelvin-universe introduced plotholes (Earth-to-Kronos beaming, curing the dead) they're virtual identiy. The Kelvin-timeline lives and dies with this incarnation of actors and characters. If they can't get those back - return to normal.
I'm curious, what is "normal"? Is it the reimagined, reboot-in-all-but-name Discovery? Is it a return to the late 90's/early 00's?
I swear to Gene, if you only made this thread to force this pun
well, in that case I applaud you
Back then when Trek was one single continuity that still was allowed to change it's style - not via reboots or re-imaginings, but simply by adding to the franchise and moving forward.
Franchises have had their dips before and come back from them. It's what they do next that's important now.
That being said it's difficult to add to the franchise and move it forward when the main draw for general audiences is Kirk and Spock and your last movie with them in underperformed.
That being said it's difficult to add to the franchise and move it forward when the main draw for general audiences is Kirk and Spock and your last movie with them in underperformed.
Except that ST during that period really wasn't allowed to change its style. Unless you refer to the Bennett/Meyer movies.
People's unwillingness to accept STD as "prime" (whatever that really is, once you stop and think about it) is seeming evidence of how little change in style they are used to based on their experiences from the TNG~ENT years.
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Honestly, not really. Prime is back on TV, and any new movie might end up based on a current series like before.
Paramount needs to do "something" with ST eventually. If the license reverted back to CBS, would ST just not have a film franchise anymore? That would be unfortunate.
I've said until now they should make one more Kelvin movie just to wrap the series up. However I'm less enthusiastic for a fourth film given the way they are treating the actors. And none of the Kelvin sequels have followed up on the promise of the first one. Is there enough reason to believe a fourth movie would?
I'm more enthusiastic about the Tarantino project, whenever he's free after his current movie to commit to it.
I've said until now they should make one more Kelvin movie just to wrap the series up. However I'm less enthusiastic for a fourth film given the way they are treating the actors. And none of the Kelvin sequels have followed up on the promise of the first one. Is there enough reason to believe a fourth movie would?
I'm more enthusiastic about the Tarantino project, whenever he's free after his current movie to commit to it.
So back to how it was until Enterprise came along. Okay.
The band can't get back together because of Anton Yelchin's death.
Can easily be explained away, like how he was on the Reliant on TWOK, or not in season 1 of TOS. Not the deal breaker that Pine is.
I thought they should have made as many as they could as I like the cast. But they’ve taken way too long to make them. We’ll be lucky if we get one more. Too bad as Beyond was the best of the series and I felt they were just getting better. I think the Kelvin Uni will be remembered in 30 years as a side trip.
Hire a lookalike like they did after Paul McCartney died in 1966.
Yes. One more to wrap it up. Depending on what QT is planning.
It is not hard, some catastrophe or enemy is on the verge of eliminating the Federation. Those living in that timeline sacrifice so that their dark timeline ends and the original/intended timeline resumes.
TOS hinted at it. TNG did it. VOY did it.
But only if Pine is back.
It is not hard, some catastrophe or enemy is on the verge of eliminating the Federation. Those living in that timeline sacrifice so that their dark timeline ends and the original/intended timeline resumes.
TOS hinted at it. TNG did it. VOY did it.
But only if Pine is back.
I say yes. I enjoyed Star Trek Beyond quite a bit. I think it was a movie that did poorly at the box office simply because it was released at a bad time when there were a lot of other franchises trying to launch big summer tent pole movies.
I also enoyed STID, but not as much as Beyond and the first Trek. Fans could see the rehash of TWOK coming a mile away. (And no disrespect to Quinto's Spock performance at all, but the KHAAAAAN moment was the only time I had cringed seeing a Star Trek movie in theaters.) Despite the occasional plot issues (aft nacelle) and the unfortunatel circumstances involving the passing of the amazingly talented Anton Yelchin, it will be difficult but not impossible to produce a good Kelvin timeline sequel.
Beyond was the end of the 5 year mission. This is an area of Trek that has not been explored all that much. The time when Kirk was promoted to Admiral and left the Enterprise. I wasn't born during the 60s/70s when Trek made the transition from TV to film, but I do not believe there is a lot of concrete info about what happened when Kirk became an admiral. It would be feasible to do a Kelvin sequel with Captain Spock and the rest of the TOS crew, perhaps with Admiral Kirk as a cameo or a more prominent role should Paramount sort out the contract issues with Chris Pine.
Unforunately, Chekov would need to be recast or retired, but again could be explained away as Chekov did eventually join the Reliant crew in TWOK. Chekov also wasn't around for all of TOS, which is something I just recently learned through watching the show for the first time from start to finish during the 50th anniversary. I am ok with either option so long as it is done tastefully and with respect to Anton Yelchin.
In any event, a post TOS/preTMP Kelvin film can be made and would provide the producers and writers the chance to tell an original story that is not as restricted by canon.
I also enoyed STID, but not as much as Beyond and the first Trek. Fans could see the rehash of TWOK coming a mile away. (And no disrespect to Quinto's Spock performance at all, but the KHAAAAAN moment was the only time I had cringed seeing a Star Trek movie in theaters.) Despite the occasional plot issues (aft nacelle) and the unfortunatel circumstances involving the passing of the amazingly talented Anton Yelchin, it will be difficult but not impossible to produce a good Kelvin timeline sequel.
Beyond was the end of the 5 year mission. This is an area of Trek that has not been explored all that much. The time when Kirk was promoted to Admiral and left the Enterprise. I wasn't born during the 60s/70s when Trek made the transition from TV to film, but I do not believe there is a lot of concrete info about what happened when Kirk became an admiral. It would be feasible to do a Kelvin sequel with Captain Spock and the rest of the TOS crew, perhaps with Admiral Kirk as a cameo or a more prominent role should Paramount sort out the contract issues with Chris Pine.
Unforunately, Chekov would need to be recast or retired, but again could be explained away as Chekov did eventually join the Reliant crew in TWOK. Chekov also wasn't around for all of TOS, which is something I just recently learned through watching the show for the first time from start to finish during the 50th anniversary. I am ok with either option so long as it is done tastefully and with respect to Anton Yelchin.
In any event, a post TOS/preTMP Kelvin film can be made and would provide the producers and writers the chance to tell an original story that is not as restricted by canon.
Yep - bring more Kelvin! 
I love the Kelvinverse movies - all three to date!
So engage the warp drive for a fourth movie (at least)!
I love the Kelvinverse movies - all three to date!
So engage the warp drive for a fourth movie (at least)!
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