Should they just have ditched uniforms and protocol?
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That's what they tried in SG:U, where a crew "suddenly finds themselves cut off from home (mostly, except for those stones), with a leader with flaws." It didn't do too well, lasting only 2 seasons, though I liked a lot of aspects of it.
Stargate Universe was AWESOME, but it was also like Enterprise the last gasp of 15 years of fan fatigue.
The kids were not interested and older fans kept dying or getting married, which is practically the same thing.
The kids were not interested and older fans kept dying or getting married, which is practically the same thing.
There might also have been a bit of the following trope in play
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks
Of course had they kept it more in tone with the SG-1 and SG:A it might have suffered from
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsTheSameNowItSucks
Which some in the case of VOY and ENT might say is true.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks
Of course had they kept it more in tone with the SG-1 and SG:A it might have suffered from
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsTheSameNowItSucks
Which some in the case of VOY and ENT might say is true.
If you told your mother, while in disguise, that your name was "Phillip J Fry" would she carry carry on unwavering and ignorant, or would she squint, look you up and down suspiciously and declare "Gentleman callers usually buy me flowers before they try to fuck me."
I just thought it was boring.
Plus it expects me to buy the idiotic power struggle thing even though they had a direct line home so they could get it straightened out it two seconds.
Plus it was kind of odd that the joke villains from the last 2 seasons of SG-1 are suddenly a major threat after just 2 years.
But in the case of SG didn't Earth become a major threat to the Gou'ald in a couple of years, and the only reason why the Gou'ald didn't wipe them out was because Earth became a protected planet (as the Gou'ald still feared thr Asgard) at the start of the 3rd season? So with the Gou'ald gone, the Ori gone there would be a power vacumn for groups such as the Lucian Alliance might try and take advantage off?
And given how the IOA operates I suspect it would take far longer than two seconds to sort out the issues on Destiny. Would China and Russia agree to yet another American being in charge or would they prefer someone like Wray or Rush a civillian or someone else from the availble people. Could the US garner enough support from other IOA members. In "Disclosure" China wasn't happy with the situation and threaten to go public, Russia and France also had misgivings in the fact the only country that seemed to be in the US corner was the UK. Still it coould have opened up potential story lines in relation to the Stargate program.
And given how the IOA operates I suspect it would take far longer than two seconds to sort out the issues on Destiny. Would China and Russia agree to yet another American being in charge or would they prefer someone like Wray or Rush a civillian or someone else from the availble people. Could the US garner enough support from other IOA members. In "Disclosure" China wasn't happy with the situation and threaten to go public, Russia and France also had misgivings in the fact the only country that seemed to be in the US corner was the UK. Still it coould have opened up potential story lines in relation to the Stargate program.
What about Seska's baby (the one she had because her character had been established in the show as a warm, loving, matriarchal figure who desperately wanted a family)
You know....the one the doctor said wasn't Chakotay's because Janeway reprogrammed him to say that
Conceived off Voyager, even if it had been Chakotay's it still would have been conceived off Voyager, and it was born off Voyager.
Seska's baby had almost nothing to do with Voyager until the Doctor gave him a Checkup.
Seska's baby had almost nothing to do with Voyager until the Doctor gave him a Checkup.
I know but i'm so desperate for babies on Voyager that i think we should count it. So to recap, that's...
1 - Seska's baby
2 - Naomi
3 - Naomi's dead counterpart
4 - The Borg baby
5 - Miral
Loads of em!
Did Seska's baby even have a name? Maybe the Voyager room should embrace it as our official mascot. Maybe i should do a poll to choose a name
Maybe i should go to bed
1 - Seska's baby
2 - Naomi
3 - Naomi's dead counterpart
4 - The Borg baby
5 - Miral
Loads of em!
Did Seska's baby even have a name? Maybe the Voyager room should embrace it as our official mascot. Maybe i should do a poll to choose a name
Maybe i should go to bed
Conceived, born and "raised" off Voyager.
These darlings should not go towards the ships fertility statistics.
These darlings should not go towards the ships fertility statistics.
^ Three; Naomi, the Borg baby and Miral.
If we talk about children on Voyage we'd have to include Icheb, who did become a cadet.
If we talk about children on Voyage we'd have to include Icheb, who did become a cadet.
Icheb thought he was man enough to be beaten to death by Tom for scoring with his missus.
Harry was 21 in Caretaker.
Yar was 13 when they signed up at the academy, and would have been 17 when she was let out.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Natasha_Yar
(Worf should have been 6 or 7 when he signed up, considering that's when Klingons reach their physical and emotional maturity, but his education seems to have been handled on a human scale for some reason, which really means that he bummed around for 10 years waiting for the human children who were once his peers to get as big and smart as he was again).
An Ensign at 17 who would not appreciate being treated like a child.
Old Icheb and Old Naomi were paired romantically in a future seen in Shattered.
If Miral matures 3 times faster than Naomi they're all going to be reaching that horny teenager state where they want to hump everything at the same time in the Admiral Janeway Timeline where they all live together in the beta Quadrant trying to get "Home".
Harry was 21 in Caretaker.
Yar was 13 when they signed up at the academy, and would have been 17 when she was let out.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Natasha_Yar
(Worf should have been 6 or 7 when he signed up, considering that's when Klingons reach their physical and emotional maturity, but his education seems to have been handled on a human scale for some reason, which really means that he bummed around for 10 years waiting for the human children who were once his peers to get as big and smart as he was again).
An Ensign at 17 who would not appreciate being treated like a child.
Old Icheb and Old Naomi were paired romantically in a future seen in Shattered.
If Miral matures 3 times faster than Naomi they're all going to be reaching that horny teenager state where they want to hump everything at the same time in the Admiral Janeway Timeline where they all live together in the beta Quadrant trying to get "Home".
So, babies.
Here's what.
It's hard to make babies without horny teenagers.
Old people have too much cool stuff that is white to dare risk letting a 3 year old into their life.
Fortunately the Captain can transporter accident boring sexless adults into horny teenagers.
But doesn't that mean that no one has to get old and die of natural causes?
Forever 35.
No babies required.
It's hard to make babies without horny teenagers.
Old people have too much cool stuff that is white to dare risk letting a 3 year old into their life.
Fortunately the Captain can transporter accident boring sexless adults into horny teenagers.
But doesn't that mean that no one has to get old and die of natural causes?
Forever 35.
No babies required.
One (the offspring of Seven and the Doctor).
She was 15 when she was rescued from Turkana, and didn't enter the Academy until she was about 18 (according to the article you linked above).
There was a thread a while back about forgettable episodes. That episode was one i chose (for good reason it seems)....totally forgot about him
1 - Seska's baby
2 - Naomi
3 - Naomi's dead counterpart
4 - The Borg baby
5 - Miral
6 - Three Lizard babies
7 -
8 -
9 - One
10 - Surely we can count Tuvix
Amphibians/salamanders not lizards.
If we do include Tuvix, then I'd propose we DO include Iched, the three other Borg children and even Seven. Seven was in some ways Janeway's baby and the borg children were Seven's babies.
Also there were Kes' daughter and grandson whom the Doctor got erased from the timeline. (Linnis and Andrew)
So we have
1 - Seska's baby
2 - Naomi
3 - Naomi's dead counterpart
4 - The Borg baby
5 - Miral
6 - Three Amphibian babies
7 -
8 -
9 - One
10 - Tuvix
11 - Seven
12 - Icheb
13 - Azan
14 - Rebi
15 - Mezoti
16 - Linnis
17 - Andrew
of these 2 were erased from existence ( Linnis and Andrew) 3 were killed or died (Tuvix, dead!Naomi and one) 4 abandoned (the amphibians and Seska's baby) and three were returned to their families (the borg kids) another one mysteriously vanishes, possibly having crawled into a Jeffrey's Tube to starve to death (the borg baby) and 4 stayed with Voyager (living!Naomi, Icheb, Seven and Miral)
4 out of 17....not a very good prospect for population growth
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