But if Silek is indeed Sarek's brother, then that's Spock's uncle, not his cousin...
Should they have killed off old spok?
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Should they have killed off the elder Spock? No. As already stated, it was embarrassingly awful when it was done to Kirk in Generations. I don't see why our heroes can't just retire and die in their sleep from nothing more than old age. Besides, Leonard Nimoy has already had one beautiful death scene as Spock. Another one, even if by some miracle it were done right, would still be one too many. Even killing off the new Spock at some point would not only be cruel, but it would be uninspired. Lest we forget the mission statement: "To boldly go where no man/no one has gone before."
It's an old rule of sea-men: a captain must always go down with his franchise.
Caligula said:
Now BRING ON THE KHAN!
Good point. But, did Spock introduce himself as cousin Selek to the younger Spock, or to Sarek? (I genuinely do not recall)
Caligula said:
Yeah, how dare "The Wrath of Khan" shamelessly steal from "Space Seed" for its villain. We're supposed to be moving into the unknown; not revisiting the past.
Caligula said:
Yeah, how dare "The Wrath of Khan" shamelessly steal from "Space Seed" for its villain. We're supposed to be moving into the unknown; not revisiting the past.
TWOK was a continuation of/sequel to a previous story. Not a reboot/retooling/retelling of the same story, which anything involving Khan in the new Star Trek timeline would ultimately be.
Selek doesn't claim to be Sarek's brother. He says he's a cousin of some undetermined distance to Sarek, one Sarek hasn't heard of and won't hear of again.
I still think Silek and Selek would be pronounced differently. IIRC, in TAS the name 'Selek' was pronounced like, well, Tom Selleck. 
Silek, OTOH, would probably be pronounced SIGH-lek.
Silek, OTOH, would probably be pronounced SIGH-lek.
However, the name 'Sitak' was given the pronunciation "SEE-tahk". I don't recall offhand how the name 'Sitar' was pronounced, but I'm betting it wasn't with a "SIGH".I still think Silek and Selek would be pronounced differently. IIRC, in TAS the name 'Selek' was pronounced like, well, Tom Selleck.
Okay, then how dare "The Dark Knight" shamelessly steal from "Batman 1989" for its villain. We're supposed to be moving into the unknown; not revisiting the past.
Abrams Trek is a reboot of the franchise with the goal of reintroducing the franchise to the masses. Bringing out your big guns, the iconic elements that people know about Star Trek (Klingons, Khan, Borg, etc.), is the best way to go. The Dark Knight did the exact same thing.
No paradox problems as such, I think; either he's from a separate
quantum reality or he's an anomaly thrown back from a now-deleted future and seemingly immune to the changes in the timeline. He would be a potential Deus Ex Machina because he has foreknowledge of future tech and undiscovered things about the world of 2258, eg Khan or The Guardian Of Forever. Maybe if he has a role in the events of the next movie it'll concern use of this foreknowledge.
Hey, I'd be fine with a Khan movie that tries to do things completely different from how we remember, just as The Dark Knight is about as far from Batman 1989 as it gets aside from sharing the same main villain. It would be great to have a Star Trek 2 that different from TWOK.
However, I think that Nimoy's Spock got as close to a perfect death scene as he's going to get, and that killing that specific Spock off again (even if in a different manner) could never have the same impact. In that case, I'd rather just re-watch my DVD of TWOK. Not that copying from TWOK is anything new to the Trek movie franchise, mind you. I just see nothing gained from doing it again this time.
It's already been done and it was done well (before it was undone). There was no need to do it again.
Can't we kill off Winona Kirk? Prime Winona ( 
) died two weeks before TWOK. I still say Cumberbund is a shapeshifting Horta from the past, who wants to go back to the present, which is now the future, which used to be past, which is now the present. . .
) died two weeks before TWOK. I still say Cumberbund is a shapeshifting Horta from the past, who wants to go back to the present, which is now the future, which used to be past, which is now the present. . .
Is that from the novel "Sarek"? Cos I'm pretty sure Winona Kirk's first appearence or mention on-screen was STXI.
I will bet right now that if Old Spock is in the movie, some variation of the following conversation will take place.
"So, you've run into Khan as well?"
"Yes."
"How did you beat him?"
"I died."
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Winona_Kirk
In 2269, a fire at the farm broke out and she was injured as a result, although fortunately she wasn't killed. However, a second fire broke out on 2 June, 2283 and Winona sadly died later that day as a result of pneumonia, which was caused by smoke inhalation. As per her wishes, she was cremated and her ashes were placed in a wall crypt in a chapel that stood in Riverside. (TOS short story: "First Star I See Tonight"; TOS novel: Time for Yesterday)
Oh, right - "Sarek" is where Amanda dies, not Winona. My bad.
