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What does Star Trek have to do with My Immortal?
Should there still be a future for Titan?
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What does Star Trek have to do with My Immortal?
No one thought that T'Pring was violating the rules of the ceremony and that intervention was therefore mandated, but that lack of intervention does not in itself indicate that T'Pring's actions were approved by other Vulcans, or seen as morally sound and acceptable.
Even if they were acceptable, the actions of T'Pring which--worst-case scenario--could have led to the murder in ritual combat of the captain of the Federation flagship by his Vulcan first officer as a consequence of one woman's desires would have been politically very problematic. The actual resolution of the scenario, which saw both the captain and his first officer survive while T'Pring and Stonn could be together, was as close to a best-case outcome as could plausibly by imagined.
It was in Duane's novels, and perhaps retroactively in TOS thanks to the last movie.
Well, one of the most prominent ships in Starfleet, then.
The point I was making is that having a human being killed by his Vulcan friend and subordinate without much advance warning in an ancient Vulcan ceremony is going to be hard to spin, PR-wise. I'd be surprised if T'Pau wasn't at least a little relieved that Kirk hadn't died.
Drago-Kazov
Fleet Captain
I would like Beyer to write one in which he Titan would look up some of the Delta Quadrant developments and revisit some of the races abandodned by Voyager. Also bring over some other Voyager characters just for this mission.
Why? T'Pau even says the challenge was legally given and accepted. The Federation likely has many warrior cultures as well as "enlightened" ones like humanity. In order for it to function they have to respect each others laws and customs. Which was why I was disappointed in Picard's reprimand of Worf in "Reunion".
I don't really see where that's necessary when we already have the Voyager relaunch.
I'll second JD's reaction. VOY has its own novel series to do this with, and I expect some of those Delta species will be revisited in due course. At what pace, I prefer to leave to Kirsten Beyer, her editor(s) and any colleagues they choose to bring into that discussion.
Drago-Kazov
Fleet Captain
When we are already 4-5 books into it and we did don not see them as far as i know. Did we? I only read Unworthy.
Notwithstanding the legalities, there's still the practicalities of it. Kirk wasn't expecting to fight Spock to the death, and I doubt the optics would look good. The Vulcans are nothing if not pragmatists.
No, but IMO that's Voyager's territory and I'd rather not see the other series step on Voy.'s toes. I wasn't that happy when Tuvok ended up on Titan for this very reason. Although there I am willing to admit I have really liked what's been done with him. It was also done at a time when Voyager's future was in flux, and I have a feeling if they'd known what was going to be happening to Voy. in the next few years, they probably would have left him on Voyager.
Drago-Kazov
Fleet Captain
There are so many species to go around and the Hirogen were already used by other people then Beyer.
Yeah, but that was also a one time thing thanks to the Gateways. I also think it was established in the show that their territory did stretch fairly close to the Alpha or Beta quadrant.
Honestly, if there wasn't a series set in the Delta Quadrant I'd be all for it, but as long as we have a whole fleet of ships out in the DQ I don't see why it would be necessary to work it's races into the other series.
Honestly, if there wasn't a series set in the Delta Quadrant I'd be all for it, but as long as we have a whole fleet of ships out in the DQ I don't see why it would be necessary to work it's races into the other series.
There won't be a future for Titan for me if Martin writes them. I've given him a chance longer than I'd normally do for a writer. If Fallen Gods isn't that good I'll probably stop buying his stuff. It just takes too much effort to get through them.
I don't feel there's any less of a future for Titan than any of the other Trek lines. Okay, so people are very vocal in their dislike for Martin. So what? A) We don't know that he's been given control of the line and we won't see other authors, and B) we don't know that the sales have become low enough to justify ending it.
Regarding A): People who dislike Martin's writing are going to avoid any book he writes no matter which line it's in at this point. Let's say future books are written by different authors-- I doubt that people who skipped his Titan books will avoid picking up the later books up because Martin killed their interest in Titan or anything. More likely there would be a lot of posts of "Can I read this book without having read the previous ones?" with a lot of answers of "Yes, it tells you all you need to know," like usual.
Regarding B): If he is in sole control of Titan right now, then it will all depend on the sales. If the books sell well, then that tells Pocket that the people complaining are more of a vocal minority. If the books don't sell well, then Pocket has to determine whether the problem is due to the author or due to a loss of interest in the series in general. I doubt TPTB put a lot of stock in what's said on message boards. (Which is as it should be, IMHO; imagine if DRG3 had been told he couldn't do Plagues of Night/Raise the Dawn because of the bad feedback to Rough Beasts of Empire?*)
Either way, it's premature to say the line may not have a future just because two books didn't totally win everyone over.
Personally, I enjoyed Martin's last two Titan books. While I do enjoy the variety that comes with different writers, I'd have no problem with him being given control of the line.
*ETA: It occurs to me that the downside of this is that despite Ex Machina getting praise all over this board, TPTB aren't willing to let Christopher continue that particular relaunch because the TMP era sells so poorly. Alas...
Regarding A): People who dislike Martin's writing are going to avoid any book he writes no matter which line it's in at this point. Let's say future books are written by different authors-- I doubt that people who skipped his Titan books will avoid picking up the later books up because Martin killed their interest in Titan or anything. More likely there would be a lot of posts of "Can I read this book without having read the previous ones?" with a lot of answers of "Yes, it tells you all you need to know," like usual.
Regarding B): If he is in sole control of Titan right now, then it will all depend on the sales. If the books sell well, then that tells Pocket that the people complaining are more of a vocal minority. If the books don't sell well, then Pocket has to determine whether the problem is due to the author or due to a loss of interest in the series in general. I doubt TPTB put a lot of stock in what's said on message boards. (Which is as it should be, IMHO; imagine if DRG3 had been told he couldn't do Plagues of Night/Raise the Dawn because of the bad feedback to Rough Beasts of Empire?*)
Either way, it's premature to say the line may not have a future just because two books didn't totally win everyone over.
Personally, I enjoyed Martin's last two Titan books. While I do enjoy the variety that comes with different writers, I'd have no problem with him being given control of the line.
*ETA: It occurs to me that the downside of this is that despite Ex Machina getting praise all over this board, TPTB aren't willing to let Christopher continue that particular relaunch because the TMP era sells so poorly. Alas...
Drago-Kazov
Fleet Captain
Just put Spock on the cover, he looks the same.
JD posted:
Because those are the most neglected races in Treklit, also there so many of them taht it's unlikely that writers will have to argue about which race to expand on.
JD posted:
Because those are the most neglected races in Treklit, also there so many of them taht it's unlikely that writers will have to argue about which race to expand on.
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