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Should there have been a TNG/DSN movie crossover?

Worf and the Defiant had an appearance in First Contact. Isn't that a crossover? ;)

You could do a kind of experimental film on the relative cheap and be a bit nichey and do a DS9-TNG crossover with intrigue involving the Obsidian Order and/or Section 34 but probably with the TNG people given top billing as they are more known than the DS9 cast. Why not go off the reservation a bit with it? You'd have to abandon ambitions to be a conventional blockbuster. But often perfectly fine films are made without a specific intent of charging into the charts.

The thing is with the Dominion - or at least the Jem Hadar - they are quite a grim and miserable lot. The Vorta are slippery and somewhat amusing but that ain't enough to carry any particular film really is it?

To reel in everyone, you would likely have actor salaries in the $50 million dollar range. Most of that for Stewart and Spiner. Already moving into blockbuster territory. :eek:
 
Outside of any meaningful real world or historical setting, "war" just comes off as trite. It's extremely difficult to make it compelling in a single film because there's such a disconnect.

The scope that is required is simply too big to fit into a single film and focusing on any single conflict or battle doesn't work without context.

It's one thing to make a film about the battle at Antietam. It's quite another to do one about the battle at Chin'toka.
 
No, not a full blown crossover.

DS9's story was ironically more self contained due to market realities despite it's broader in-universe significance to AQ interstellar politics. DS9 made it's run on TV and came to a definitive conclusion on TV. The story was told.

But DS9 the station could have certainly made a cameo appearance in a TNG film.
 
A different version of this topic crops up every couple months and I've posted my daydream scenario for TNG films a couple times. I should probably copy and paste it but I'm sure some regulars tire of seeing it.

One day when I have time I'm going to post my post-FC alternate film series for TNG in the fanfic forum. It does includes a DS9 cameo that occurs after WYLB.
 
Brent Spiner said there were plans for a movie featuring all the crews (not sure if he meant TOS and Enterprise also) before Nemesis flopped and killed the TNG movie franchise.

The stan in me would love to see Kirk, Picard, Sisko and Janeway together with their crews taking on some universe destroying entity but the TNG movies struggled with 7 main regulars so I'm not sure what they'd have done with the combined casts of all the shows.
 
No. I think some other crossovers inside the series would have been cool. Like some/all of the TNG crew showing up for Worf's wedding or more Voyager or TNG people in the Mirror Universe. I really wanted to see the Enterprise-E itself have a cameo docked at DS9. I think the Stargate and Arrow universe guys handled these kind of crossovers really well.
 
Perhaps instead I should have suggested some sort of TNG/DSN crossover on television, during DSN's run.
Sure the budget would have been smaller but the story would probably be less 'blockbuster'-ey and more true to the series.

Allyn Gibson brought up a few reasons why on why First Contact is rather flawed, fun to look at but not that good of a Star Trek story.

Outside of any meaningful real world or historical setting, "war" just comes off as trite. It's extremely difficult to make it compelling in a single film because there's such a disconnect.

The scope that is required is simply too big to fit into a single film and focusing on any single conflict or battle doesn't work without context.

I was not trying to glorify war or conflict in any way but just thinking of a story idea that could be reason enough to bring the two crews together for a united goal or task and at the same time come up with something that could surpass the theme and visual action of First Contact.

The thing is with the Dominion - or at least the Jem Hadar - they are quite a grim and miserable lot. The Vorta are slippery and somewhat amusing but that ain't enough to carry any particular film really is it?

Well those would be mostly background characters/henchmen, perhaps one of the DSN regular 'leading' type of antagonists or a new antagonist would have to be introduced that would be the leader or architect behind the plan that the TNG and DSN crew would have to stop.

The stan in me would love to see Kirk, Picard, Sisko and Janeway together with their crews taking on some universe destroying entity but the TNG movies struggled with 7 main regulars so I'm not sure what they'd have done with the combined casts of all the shows.

True but in a lot of movies based on shows there are always a bunch of characters who suffer from being underused or less quality of writing because it sometimes difficult to find something for them to do that is on the same level as that of the main characters of the story.
In a series you can at least occasionally throw such characters a bone, in a hypothetical TNG/DSN crossover like I suggest it might be very difficult to find a good sub plot for Quark, Garak, or Troi. (I am surprised that they some of these at least got some decent part in the "Telepathy War" crossover I mentioned.

In First Contact it felt that Troi, Riker, and Geordi were dumped on Earth to hang out with Cochrane because the writers had no idea what to do with these characters if they had remained on board the Enterprise during the Borg fight.

I guess the idea is more the exciting than the actual result. I just wanted to come up with something that I felt would have been stronger than Insurrection.
Nemesis is a whole different can of worms.
 
You could do a kind of experimental film on the relative cheap and be a bit nichey and do a DS9-TNG crossover with intrigue involving the Obsidian Order and/or Section 34 but probably with the TNG people given top billing as they are more known than the DS9 cast. Why not go off the reservation a bit with it? You'd have to abandon ambitions to be a conventional blockbuster. But often perfectly fine films are made without a specific intent of charging into the charts.

I remember rumors in 1996-7 of a film something like that, a film called "Nemesis," that would have involved Riker, Troi, and a couple of the other TNG characters visiting DS9. The idea was for it to be a low-budget affair.

I'm not sure if there was any validity to the rumor, but I thought it was a nice idea. By that point in time, there were enough established 24th-century characters that you could mix-and-match them based on availability and budget.

Perhaps instead I should have suggested some sort of TNG/DSN crossover on television, during DSN's run. Sure the budget would have been smaller but the story would probably be less 'blockbuster'-ey and more true to the series.

An episode like that might not have been able to afford Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner, but the story might not necessarily need to see Picard or Data any more than "Birthright" Part 1 needed to see any Deep Space Nine character other than Bashir. In other words, something like this could've been done.
 
That is also a major issue, how expensive some of the major actors are, another reason why this would have been so damn hard to pull off.
I guess crossovers like these are probably forever reserved for comics, books, games, and fan fiction.
 
Brent Spiner said there were plans for a movie featuring all the crews (not sure if he meant TOS and Enterprise also) before Nemesis flopped and killed the TNG movie franchise.

The stan in me would love to see Kirk, Picard, Sisko and Janeway together with their crews taking on some universe destroying entity but the TNG movies struggled with 7 main regulars so I'm not sure what they'd have done with the combined casts of all the shows.

I would hope that it would include TOS...... its a shame that a full length crossover never happened.

With Shatner and Nimoy both alive at reasonable ages in the 24th century and Doohan out exploring in his Shuttlecraft, they could have mix and matched them into TNG movies, and it could have been *glorious* :D

I know Stewart would never allowed for it to happen, but I think it would have been really fun to see Shatner/Kirk follow his usual MO and end up in the Captains Chair for a bit, just to see how the crews fit together...

As a side thought, now I am wondering how Bones would have reacted to the Hologram. lol.
 
The TNG movies already suffered from their over-large cast. Adding the DS9 cast would have made it unwatchable.

The obvious solution is to kill off half the cast in the first 10 minutes. I'm sure we each have our own list of "expendables"... :devil:
 
As a side thought, now I am wondering how Bones would have reacted to the Hologram. lol.
We actually almost got to see that on the VOY television series itself -- early in its run (circa Season 2/early Season 3), the producers were in discussions with DeForest Kelley about him reprising his McCoy-role on a recurring basis (probably TOS movie-era McCoy) as a Holodeck character that Doc Zimmerman would semi-routinely consult.

Reportedly, though Kelley was indeed quite interested, these plans ultimately fell apart due to concerns about his health (as shooting on a frequent basis would've been detrimental, plus likely insurance-reasons as well).
 
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That would have been amazing! So we could have gotten Shatner in Enterprise, and Kelley on Voyager?? With how sentient the Doctor became, they could treat Holo McCoy as the real McCoy (no pun intended! promise! :D) and even work the rest of TOS into the script via Holo McCoy reminiscing.... wow, that would have been too cool....
 
I'd have loved a TNG/DS9 true crossover in First Contact. Forget Lily Sloane as a love interest. I'd love to see a shouting match between Sisko and Picard!!
 
That would have been amazing! So we could have gotten Shatner in Enterprise, and Kelley on Voyager??
It just occurred to me - if Shatner had appeared in ENT, he would have been too old to be TOS-Kirk, obviously, and probably too old even for GEN-Kirk. So ... would they have canonised the Shatner-verse? The Reeves-Stevenses, Shatner's "collaborators" on the novels, were actually writing for ENT at the time.
 
It just occurred to me - if Shatner had appeared in ENT, he would have been too old to be TOS-Kirk, obviously, and probably too old even for GEN-Kirk. So ... would they have canonised the Shatner-verse? The Reeves-Stevenses, Shatner's "collaborators" on the novels, were actually writing for ENT at the time.

Have "Storm Front" take place in a 1970's where Kirk and Spock never made it home after "City...". Kirk is running Edith Keeler's old mission in Nazi occupied New York.

That's how I would have done it.
 
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