I think a lot of people agree with that answer!
Of course, I would be awesome at Star Trek.
Poll Should the fans be running the show?
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I think a lot of people agree with that answer!
Of course, I would be awesome at Star Trek.
I certainly think it does to a certain point. The longer a franchise lasts, the more demo drift you'll get. People identify with their eras.
If I ever somehow happen to cease control of Star Trek, you can be in my gang and help me run the show. All those who opposed the idea and voted no in the poll cannot be, and will have to go and work for The Orville or Star Wars instead, unless there are any positions going for them over at Axanar.
Pretty sure Axanar was doing the whole "fans know the franchise better than the ownership" bit long before this thread.unless there are any positions going for them going over at Axanar.
In 10-20 years with the way AI is going, fan fiction could become something watchable that's almost indistinguishable from something shot in live action (let alone the opportunities for fan edits). At that point of hyperfragmentation the point will be all but moot.
Wouldn't we all
Love your signature by the way. Rush forever. (still hoping Geddy and Alex get together to make new music)
Wouldn't we all
Love your signature by the way. Rush forever. (still hoping Geddy and Alex get together to make new music)
Me too.
Alex has a new band.
Sorry for the diversion.
If AI creates a situation where fan fiction is indistinguishable from the real product, it's because the real product has been turned into complete and utter crap.
Seize. Why did no one grammar police or spell check me for this???
Yes, I know that it is a spelling technicality, not an actual grammatical error. ‘Grammar police’ is just a saying, even when said in relation to spellings. I do not want to initiate an actual cease and desist upon Star Trek.
Eh, why not? Won't stop the fans from griping about things.I do not want to initiate an actual cease and desist upon Star Trek.
The solution for anyone who thinks they can run Star Trek better than the people currently in control is to time travel back to before Gene Roddenberry first came up with the idea for Star Trek. Then, you just have to create it first and try to make better decisions than Roddenberry, so you don't get ousted.
I disagree, I do not think that Roddenberry has ownership over what Star Trek is anymore even though he created it. This is a bit like saying that Einstein is responsible for Oppenheimer, and that both Einstein *and* Oppenheimer are responsible for the aftermaths of the usage of the first hydrogen/atomic bomb(s) regardless of the fact that Truman ordered for this combined use of physics and technologies use against other humans.
But do we blame the person who first forged a sword for every death by blade thereafter, even though the blade may have been designed for cutting cheese? Do we indebt the person who invented gun powder for every gun related death which currently blights our planet even though they may have only wanted to put on a good fireworks show? The scientists who worked on splitting the atom were probably only trying to discover such things as warp drive and Heisenberg compensators so that we can beam to places. Creatives and scientists use their imaginations and knowledge to create things to inspire yet grounded in science and hopefully not conflict, but sometimes bad or ill natured people use this combination of creativity and agenda to project bad or ‘misguided’ intentions beyond intended purpose. Star Trek has become a combination of the culmination of expectations from its fan base, which investors who fund the show weigh up *very* carefully as this fanbase is so well established, against those who may have never seen Star Trek before and have no vested interest in the show… ‘new fans’. Star Trek has become too diverse (and controversial beyond America and the western world) to be viable as an international franchise in my opinion, but a soft reboot may resolve this… preventing the destruction of Romulus and Remus may be the first steps toward achieving this.My conclusion: if *bad* Star Trek fans run the show we will get bad Trek. If good Star Trek fans run the show... we will (either) *still* get bad, or really good fan wank, almost cringeworthy Trek.
Upon reading this, I can only conclude the following. The sentences you apparently kidnapped in the dead of night and forced into this violent and arbitrary statement of yours clearly seemed to be placed on the pages against their will.I disagree, I do not think that Roddenberry has ownership over what Star Trek is anymore even though he created it. This is a bit like saying that Einstein is responsible for Oppenheimer, and that both Einstein *and* Oppenheimer are responsible for the aftermaths of the usage of the first hydrogen/atomic bomb(s) regardless of the fact that Truman ordered for this combined use of physics and technologies use against other humans.
My conclusion: if *bad* Star Trek fans run the show we will get bad Trek. If good Star Trek fans run the show... we will (either) *still* get bad, or really good fan wank, almost cringeworthy Trek.
True. But fans were in charge, we might also be getting new ideas to push Star Trek forward. Whereas non-fans must work with whatever is popular at the time they are employed.
You never know what a fan is thinking on an individual level. And you can only get a vague sense of what a cluster of fans want, as the fanbase is varied.
Nah. No matter what kind of show you end up making, there would be a loud bunch of True Fans demanding your head on a platter for the crime of wrecking the Holy Canon.
You wish to make your own Star Trek? Role playing games or fanfic writing are the easiest and best choices.
You wish to make your own Star Trek? Role playing games or fanfic writing are the easiest and best choices.
My point was that something like Star Trek can be created and conceptualised with an original intention and vision, but that intention can be developed and changed over the decades by other people who were *not* involved in its original creation and may not even fully understand what they now have control over. Often, the people chosen by the studios to run the various shows can use the franchise that they now have control over as a platform to fit their own personal visions and/or agendas, sometimes pushing social messages and commentaries that not everyone in the world may be quite ready to agree on, especially if this is done for shock value as an attempt to pull in the ratings. These kind of often blatant controversies shoe horned in to nu-Trek can cause discontent amongst *some* older fans who for example may not like changes that have been made to canon and characters, changes which may confuse or even anger them… such as the creation of the JJ-verse and its repercussions to the prime timeline, or the ‘new’ back story regarding Picard’s mother.
Sometimes, the original concept of a show, or any idea for that matter, can be twisted and distorted beyond it’s original intent in to something almost unrecognisable a decade or even a generation or two later. This also happens with religions and politics too sometimes over hundreds of years, and can ultimately create the variables that can lead to possible disagreements within fandom(s) around the world. I am sure that this kind of thing also happens in Star Wars too.
At the end of the day, Star Trek is still just a show, but until someone actually invents warp drive (hehe) it’s always fun for us fans, and non fans, to share our differing opinions and view points…. The show must, after all… go on!
Maybe one day a fan will be pretend to be a non fan so that they can get chosen to run the show!?
Beautifully said! That can be applied to a lot of long-running franchises such as Star Wars or even Dr Who. In SW's case without getting into too many details, the current people running the franchise may have gotten the look down, but not its heart and soul. It feels too calculated and removed from what came before.
I mean, invariably yes. That is what will happen, not out of malice though. The idea of people coming to different stories, taking what they see as the valuable parts or the parts that resonate with them more than others. This is part of storytelling. Take a look at Snow White and trace the roots of that story. Or how Robin Hood now is a happily ever tale, rather than what happens in the original story. And on and on.Sometimes, the original concept of a show, or any idea for that matter, can be twisted and distorted beyond it’s original intent in to something almost unrecognisable a decade or even a generation or two later. This also happens with religions and politics too sometimes over hundreds of years, and can ultimately create the variables that can lead to possible disagreements within fandom(s) around the world. I am sure that this kind of thing also happens in Star Wars too.
I think if you want to try and capture the "soul" of a franchise again then you are barking up the wrong tree. Every new voice adds something more to the story, and the world building in general.
