Should Okudagrams be considered canon?

[7thsealord]

Scotty refers to him as "Admiral Archer.")

... AND he had a Beagle. Which makes it likely that it is the same Archer, but not definite. Archer is not an uncommon surname, after all, and the popularity of beagles as pets for Star Fleet personnel is something that none of the series or movies have ever addressed.

 

[The Wormhole]

Scotty refers to him as "Admiral Archer.")

... AND he had a Beagle. Which makes it likely that it is the same Archer, but not definite. Archer is not an uncommon surname, after all, and the popularity of beagles as pets for Star Fleet personnel is something that none of the series or movies have ever addressed.

Abrams and his cohorts have stated that Admiral Archer is indeed Jonathan Archer.

 

[Christopher]

Offscreen assertions of production staff aren't canonical, and it's unlikely that a man born in the early 22nd century would have that kind of life expectancy. I personally think Admiral Archer is more likely to be a son, daughter, or other descendant of Jonathan. Preference in pets can easily be handed down from one generation to the next.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Well to be fair, I agree as far as ST:III goes, with what's supposed to be Spock's quarters an all. But in ST:TMP V'ger was scanning the library computer and so it's reasonable to assume that "Historical data" like the TOS era Constitution would be among the files scanned. Besides, at that time most ships would presumably still be in their more or less "original" configurations, so the data would not be that dated?

As for the starship classes from the tech manual go, I'll meet ya half way. while showing them in their TOS era configurations is an anachronism, which we can ignore, the fact that ships like these exist in the trekverse should be considered established, albeit they should have been shown in their "uprated" configurations.

And I guess for that matter, the Battlestar Galactica arrived at Earth sometime before the 23rd century, as I also recall seeing Colonial Viper schematics being shown in that same scene on the library computer.

 

[TIN_MAN]

^^ I was not aware of any Colonial Viper schematics in the mix? In any event, this would fall into the category of "in joke" which need not be taken seriously, as per my previous post to the one you quoted.

 

[Christopher]

^Or maybe not an in-joke, maybe just a case of grabbing whatever was available that would suggest "spaceship schematics" to the moviegoing audience. They weren't making the movie for the benefit of fans decades later who'd go over the home videos with a fine-tooth comb and obsess over trivial details. They were just using the resources at hand to convey a general sensory impression to the folks in the movie theater.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ I'll have to dig up some screen caps. It was around the same time that the "Official BSG Blueprints" came out (78-79) and would make sense that they would be available and used for random background flotsam. The attention to technical detail didn't really seem to exist back then in the way that it does now, and they certainly never would have predicted that, 30 years later, we would have access to hi-def BluRay/DVD sources to nitpick the color of wall-pixels.

 

[tafkats]

I take nothing from Voyager seriously.

I guess we should only take Okudagrams as canon if you actually want it to be canon that the Enterprise' computer interface has a duck as an icon.

Or that the Enterprise D's sickbay has a "Medical Insurance Remaining" display.

Wait -- there was a duck? Where?

 

[Captain Rob]

^^ In TNG's timeline. Obamacare is still in effect.
Likewise there's no money in the TrekUniverse because once the debt hit 1 quadrillion dollars. They just did away with it. Nothing to balance.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I take nothing from Voyager seriously.

I guess we should only take Okudagrams as canon if you actually want it to be canon that the Enterprise' computer interface has a duck as an icon.

Or that the Enterprise D's sickbay has a "Medical Insurance Remaining" display.

Wait -- there was a duck? Where?

In the original MSD, there were a bunch of little silhouettes hidden throughout the diagram, one of which was a rubber ducky. I think there was a Nomad probe in there, too, along with some other weirdness.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Or maybe not an in-joke, maybe just a case of grabbing whatever was available that would suggest "spaceship schematics" to the moviegoing audience. They weren't making the movie for the benefit of fans decades later who'd go over the home videos with a fine-tooth comb and obsess over trivial details. They were just using the resources at hand to convey a general sensory impression to the folks in the movie theater.

Are you sure they weren't Romulan fighters, as seen on the cover of Diane Diane's The Romulan Way?

 

[plynch]

I take nothing from Voyager seriously.

I guess we should only take Okudagrams as canon if you actually want it to be canon that the Enterprise' computer interface has a duck as an icon.

Or that the Enterprise D's sickbay has a "Medical Insurance Remaining" display.

Wait -- there was a duck? Where?

In the original MSD, there were a bunch of little silhouettes hidden throughout the diagram, one of which was a rubber ducky. I think there was a Nomad probe in there, too, along with some other weirdness.

Yeah we saw those at the Detroit exhibit.

 

[T'Girl]

Not to mention that at the time of Past Tense Arnold Rimmer and David Lister were the Governor of California and Mayor of San Fransisco.

Do we discount the dedication plate on the Enterprise Dee, which lists a Admiral Gene Roddenberry?

Plus then you got Archer's bio from IAMD, which was both contradicted in TATV

Well, the Defiant could have been from a different universe, than the TOS Defiant from The Tholian Web.

Lots of universe's out there.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think Trek's complex and overloaded enough without adding even more universes!

 

[tafkats]

I take nothing from Voyager seriously.

I guess we should only take Okudagrams as canon if you actually want it to be canon that the Enterprise' computer interface has a duck as an icon.

Speaking of taking on-screen evidence from freeze frames too seriously, Memory Alpha contains a heated discussion with a large number of people insisting that the Soviet Union was revived in the 24th century.