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Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

You've probably never heard "Nancy Pelosi's body has been taken over by the spirit of J. Edgar Hoover because he loves her sense of fashion," but that doesn't mean no one's ever said it before.





What? It's not just me, right? :shifty:
 
I'm sorry, but I really don't see where the "nothing but my bones" line was that horrible. I've heard people talk like that before, and I think I might have heard that exact saying before.


Ditto. The "sawbones" controversy aside, it sounds perfectly conversational to me.

"Ohmigod. You're nothing but skin and bones."

"He skinned me alive in poker last night."

"I'm down to bare bones."

That's just how people talk.


A thought: in general, the dialogue in the new movie tends to be more collequial than traditional Trek. ("Bullshit!") Could that be what's turning people off?

The "bones" gag sounded natural and unforced to me.
 
I'm sorry, but I really don't see where the "nothing but my bones" line was that horrible. I've heard people talk like that before, and I think I might have heard that exact saying before.


Ditto. The "sawbones" controversy aside, it sounds perfectly conversational to me.

"Ohmigod. You're nothing but skin and bones."

"He skinned me alive in poker last night."

"I'm down to bare bones."

That's just how people talk.

It's also worth noting that the scene is set 243 years in the future. It's probable that people then will be using slang and idioms that would sound unnatural and awkward to our ears, just as something like "My bad" or "Awesomesauce" would sound bizarre to someone from the 18th century. (Heck, from the 20th century. I was violently resistant to "My bad" when it came along. It infuriated me, hearing an adjective used as a noun like that, particularly when there were already perfectly serviceable alternatives like "I'm sorry" or "My mistake" or "Excuse me." "Your bad what???" I always wanted to cry. I've grudgingly learned to tolerate it since it seems to have had staying power, but don't expect to ever hear me using it.)
 
eh.
If we HAVE to have JJTrek books, I say ignore plot holes or other irritants, focus on the positive, give us something as fresh and new as possible and amp up the pacing & action to pseudo-Star Wars equivalents.
If we HAVE to have 'em.

But most importantly, give me more of the new aliens introduced in the movies--and demmit!---More Kelvin & Captain Robau!
THAT's what I would pay money to read.

if i HAVE to.
 
I'm sorry, but I really don't see where the "nothing but my bones" line was that horrible. I've heard people talk like that before, and I think I might have heard that exact saying before.


Ditto. The "sawbones" controversy aside, it sounds perfectly conversational to me.

"Ohmigod. You're nothing but skin and bones."

"He skinned me alive in poker last night."

"I'm down to bare bones."

That's just how people talk.

It's also worth noting that the scene is set 243 years in the future. It's probable that people then will be using slang and idioms that would sound unnatural and awkward to our ears, just as something like "My bad" or "Awesomesauce" would sound bizarre to someone from the 18th century. (Heck, from the 20th century. I was violently resistant to "My bad" when it came along. It infuriated me, hearing an adjective used as a noun like that, particularly when there were already perfectly serviceable alternatives like "I'm sorry" or "My mistake" or "Excuse me." "Your bad what???" I always wanted to cry. I've grudgingly learned to tolerate it since it seems to have had staying power, but don't expect to ever hear me using it.)

Haha, you must have loved that little thing in Transformers. :guffaw:
 
but the only people who call you nicknames that aren't affectionate aren't the kind of people I would want to hang around with, or generally consider heroic.

Few of us have any control over our nicknames, let alone whether they originated as affectionate monikers or names of scorn and derision. I was called "Fearless Fly" by friends at high school, but it was also used by enemies. And shortened to "Fly" if I made someone angry.

Another nickname evolved over time, depending on those using it and the situation. "Eeenie" became "E" which became "Easy". And yeah, the last one was sometimes used as a semi-humorous, barbed double entendre.
 
I don't buy the excuse "it's the future, maybe they talk differently." That's a copout and a fig leaf for shoddy writing, pure and simple. These things aren't written for 23rd Century audiences by 23rd Century writers, they're written for current times and performed by present day actors, and if you want to fully convey the story to the audience, and unless you're Joss Whedon doing a Firefly story, you want to stick to present day vernacular.
 
I don't buy the excuse "it's the future, maybe they talk differently." That's a copout and a fig leaf for shoddy writing, pure and simple. These things aren't written for 23rd Century audiences by 23rd Century writers, they're written for current times and performed by present day actors, and if you want to fully convey the story to the audience, and unless you're Joss Whedon doing a Firefly story, you want to stick to present day vernacular.

Eh, most of the time I'm the one who uses that argument. It IS the future. It's just logical that they speak differently than we do. And I agree with Patrick Stewart who once said in some interview that Star Trek had a very distinct style of speech. Which is why I didn't like how they were talking in the new Trek movie. Good thing PG-13 doesn't allow F-bombs, the movie would have been full of them because it's so cool and people talk like that. ;)

Yet Bones is still short for Sawbones!!! :devil: Because Kirk likes to read Dickens and Dickens' first novel has a passage about Sawbones being surgeons, and McCoy is a surgeon! No change in language in the next 300 years will change that fact! Arrrrrgh!

You people just can't handle the truth!
 
Yet Bones is still short for Sawbones!!! :devil: Because Kirk likes to read Dickens and Dickens' first novel has a passage about Sawbones being surgeons, and McCoy is a surgeon! No change in language in the next 300 years will change that fact! Arrrrrgh!

You people just can't handle the truth!


Right idea. Wrong Kirk.

Who knows what the new Kirk reads for fun?


"A first edition of Harry Potter? Really, Spock, you shouldn't have."

'It is your favorite, I believe."
 
Yet Bones is still short for Sawbones!!! :devil: Because Kirk likes to read Dickens and Dickens' first novel has a passage about Sawbones being surgeons, and McCoy is a surgeon! No change in language in the next 300 years will change that fact! Arrrrrgh!

You people just can't handle the truth!


Right idea. Wrong Kirk.

Who knows what the new Kirk reads for fun?


"A first edition of Harry Potter? Really, Spock, you shouldn't have."

'It is your favorite, I believe."

Well I guess he reads books that are as shallow compared to Dickens as he is compared to the original Kirk.
 
I'm sure nuKirk's got a copy of Strangers From the Sky on his bookshelf, right next to 1001 Greatest Sporting Injuries :p.
 
Even if they wanted to they probably wouldn't be allowed to - last year when the novelization came out there was an interview with ADF where he mentioned wanting to correct the origin of Bones being called Bones and they were very firm about saying no.


And they were right to imo. I can't believe people actually got worked up over that one. So what if it's a silly explanation. "Correcting" unimportant stuff such as this is too nerdy even for me. And that's saying a lot.
 
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