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Should Have Been a Two-Parter

The Mirror Universe isn't an alternate timeline, though. It's a parallel universe. Not the same thing.

I will die on this hill.

In general, I agree - pre-existing alternate universes are different from a timeline rewrite, and it usually leads me down some rabbit holes concerning time travel, how it works, FC, ENT and the Kelvinverse, among other arguments I am prone to have.

In this case, I am overlooking all of my standard beliefs, because the narrative of that arc works way too well, and its TOS, so, ya know, consistency on some cosmic stuff can be stretched....
 
The Mirror Lorca was probably also from another Mirror universe than the one we know, as DSC isn't Kirk's reality either is it! Plus two parters weren't really a big thing back in the sixties and seventies and I don't think the episodic style of the series would have supported another double show! :techman:
JB
 
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like the suggestion that
I actually was going to suggest this as a serious choice. The whole beginning, with the galactic blinking out, and the invasion from another Universe, was probably the biggest stakes in TOS. Expand THAT into a two parter, with Lazarus from the other side warning the impending invasion. This predates Mirror Mirror, so working out an invasion by the Mirror-crew via Alternative Factor would be an amazing what-if rewrite / retcon. A three parter combining City on the Edge of Forever (McCoy creating the Mirror Universe), Lazarus opening up a wormhole between the universes, and the third part being a take on Mirror Mirror, could be a great ongoing story arc.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I like it. City will lead to the Mirror Universe, and we have an ongoing arc, tying all the episodes, even as they explore the various themes in science fiction. The only problem, however, is that, if City did lead to Mirror, Mirror, Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura would never have existed, because that universe would have had a different family lines.
 
The Mirror Lorca was probably also from another Mirror universe than the one we know, as DSC isn't Kirk's reality either is it! Plus two parters weren't really a big thing back in the sixties and seventies and I don't think the episodic style of the series would have supported another double show! :techman:
JB

Maybe, but Disco-MU seems to provide a little backstory for the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance from DS9-MU, and it's explicitly in a universe with knowledge of the "regular universe" provided by the USS Defiant from the Enterprise-MU.
 
I saw in
Obviously it was programmed by one of Chekov's ancestors. :p

In his book about the making of TMP (Chekov's Enterprise), Koenig mentions his ongoing effort to make Chekov's accent consistent. One example where it didn't come out right was when he tried to say "elevator" and it came out "elevwator".
I saw an interview once where he mentioned fans saying Russians dont actually speak like that and he said he heard his father speak like that all the time.
 
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I saw an interview once where he mentioned fans saying Russians dont actually speak like that and he said he heard his father speak like that all the time.
I don't know enough about Russian accents to say if the fans were right or not (with a country that large, don't tell me there aren't distinctive regional dialects that may sound like very different versions of the same language; it's like that in Canada, with some of our regional accents).

But the point is that correct or not, he was trying to make it consistent, and had a bit of a problem now and then.

If you want an in-universe explanation, who are we to say what sort of accents may develop in another three hundred years?
 
Yeah, I've always wanted to see the other side of "Mirror, Mirror", with the Mirror Universe's barbarians trying to act like civilized men. How long did Kirk & company pull off the deception that they were Starfleet officers? And what was the thing that they did that finally tipped Spock off that something wasn't right?
I think Spock was probably tipped off as soon as the mirror landing party stepped off the transporter pad. The difference in temperament and whatever the mirror Kirk would most likely say would have been an instant tell.
 
In general, I agree - pre-existing alternate universes are different from a timeline rewrite, and it usually leads me down some rabbit holes concerning time travel, how it works, FC, ENT and the Kelvinverse, among other arguments I am prone to have.

In this case, I am overlooking all of my standard beliefs, because the narrative of that arc works way too well, and its TOS, so, ya know, consistency on some cosmic stuff can be stretched....

Temporal mechanics in sci fi shows generally make no obvious sense because you can't 'change' the past. Once you establish many worlds theory as canon, ANY time traveller to the past who seemingly changes something has just jumped tracks into a parallel universe where they always travelled back and made those changes. So heroes who then travel back to fix the changes will themselves end up in a parallel universe different to the original AND the first parallel universe. So we have the illusion of the heroes going back and saving the day but all they've done is travel back into the parallel timeline where they always travelled back and saved the day.

Classic example is Gabriel Bell. If they had travelled back in the prime universe, Sisko's picture would always have been Gabriel Bell. Since the picture changed, we know that Sisko has travelled forward to a different timeline to where he started. In the original timeline, which still exists, Sisko either disappears never to be seen again or a different Sisko (who travelled back and saved Gabriel Bell) will replace him.

Since the TOS ship was brightly lit, it seems probable that Georgieu is from a different mirror universe timeline. This then raises the question whether ANY of the prime universe shows are still in the same universe as each other by the end, let alone Discovery. Look at Year of Hell!
 
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I think Spock was probably tipped off as soon as the mirror landing party stepped off the transporter pad. The difference in temperament and whatever the mirror Kirk would most likely say would have been an instant tell.
That was certainly the implication from what we were shown, but I've always found it intriguing to think that Mirror-Kirk was crafty enough to impersonate his counterpart for at least a little bit. Not for long, though - maybe 15 minutes or so.

I wonder exactly when Spock decided to put the Mirror Universe crew onto the transporter pads, though. Was he monitoring the optimal time to make the switch somehow and just hoping that his Kirk and crew were on the other side?
 
Since the TOS ship was brightly lit, it seems probable that Georgieu is from a different mirror universe timeline.
The Mirror Mirror universe also had a half-Vulcan first officer who was a commander, the STD mirror universe wouldn't of had this, too species-ist.
 
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