Should Ent not have been called Ent?

[ChristopherPike]

It couldn't have been called anything else besides Enterprise. TPTB wanted a fresh start, a way to introduce Star Trek to an audience who wouldn't ordinarily do that. To have a show that screamed Star Trek to fans, while distancing itself enough from the previous 3 spin-offs to make new viewers curious. Enterprise was the perfect title to fit that approach. There are all sorts of arguments based on how the series didn't live up to that concept in the weeks following the Pilot. How arriving hot on the heels of Voyager and on the same channel, UPN undermined everything... and I'd have to conclude those are solid criticisms. Perhaps better aimed at Paramount though rather than Berman or Braga, because the Studio wanted a Star Trek replacement show there and then without allowing enough time for both the demand and creativity to build. Later of course, it became pretty obvious they'd changed their minds and didn't want the show to last... leaving fans who had given it a chance during two uncertain years and then convinced by the latter ones, to spend forever more having to continually justify their faith (pun intended).

 

[T'Girl]

Final frontier (over used?), star fleet (only one ship), voyages (too close), stop shooting at us (hmmmm). Odyssey is a good ship name, or even Odysseus (or Oedipus).

 

[SFRabid]

I think the name is fine and the ship is fine. To me the ship is the most realistic of all the shows. Sure there was the occasional mention of Kirk's Enterprise being the first, but if I obsessed with canon I would not have made it through season 1 of TOS.

 

[USS Avenger]

I always thought the ship should have been the ESS Pathfinder, first of the warp three ships. The show should have centered on exploration and the first contacts with the worlds that would someday form the Federation.

 

[Bluesteel]

The title "ENTERPRISE" was perfect, and adding "Star Trek" in season 3 was IMO completely unnecessary.

They added Star Trek to it to bring in more viewers. I found that laughable. because it was the same viewers they wanted to sideline. The reason for excluding Star Trek from it originally was to bring in non-Trek fans who would be afraid of the name.

The whole naming issue was stupid. I'm not a big fan of TOS so I don't really have emotional attachment to the name. But having 3 series with 3 ships called Enterprise is just annoying.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The title "ENTERPRISE" was perfect, and adding "Star Trek" in season 3 was IMO completely unnecessary.

They added Star Trek to it to bring in more viewers. I found that laughable. because it was the same viewers they wanted to sideline. The reason for excluding Star Trek from it originally was to bring in non-Trek fans who would be afraid of the name.

The whole naming issue was stupid. I'm not a big fan of TOS so I don't really have emotional attachment to the name. But having 3 series with 3 ships called Enterprise is just annoying.

Why would that annoy you? Star Trek in the minds of many is about a ship named "Enterprise."

 

[NXOner]

Star Trek: Bermaga? Seriously I loved Enterprise and was happy with the original choice of the name standing alone. And I love the Classic Series too from very early days ...

 

[Bluesteel]

The title "ENTERPRISE" was perfect, and adding "Star Trek" in season 3 was IMO completely unnecessary.

They added Star Trek to it to bring in more viewers. I found that laughable. because it was the same viewers they wanted to sideline. The reason for excluding Star Trek from it originally was to bring in non-Trek fans who would be afraid of the name.

The whole naming issue was stupid. I'm not a big fan of TOS so I don't really have emotional attachment to the name. But having 3 series with 3 ships called Enterprise is just annoying.

Why would that annoy you? Star Trek in the minds of many is about a ship named "Enterprise."

Because it's the same bloody name being used again and again and again. Maybe the reason why people associate Enterprise with Trek is because the name enterprise has been overused like a french call girl.

It smacks of a severe lack of imagination by B&B to rename the ship and the entire show Enterprise. I can think of a a good name on top of my head. How about Ragnarok? Or Aegir. I'll even throw in Thrudvang.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They added Star Trek to it to bring in more viewers. I found that laughable. because it was the same viewers they wanted to sideline. The reason for excluding Star Trek from it originally was to bring in non-Trek fans who would be afraid of the name.

The whole naming issue was stupid. I'm not a big fan of TOS so I don't really have emotional attachment to the name. But having 3 series with 3 ships called Enterprise is just annoying.

Why would that annoy you? Star Trek in the minds of many is about a ship named "Enterprise."

Because it's the same bloody name being used again and again and again. Maybe the reason why people associate Enterprise with Trek is because the name enterprise has been overused like a french call girl.

It smacks of a severe lack of imagination by B&B to rename the ship and the entire show Enterprise. I can think of a a good name on top of my head. How about Ragnarok? Or Aegir. I'll even throw in Thrudvang.

They did the not called Enterprise thing with VOY and DS9 and wound up with diminishing returns. At the time it was a 50/50 split with two ships called Enterprise and two not. Rename? What was the ship and show called before?

 

[Bluesteel]

Why would that annoy you? Star Trek in the minds of many is about a ship named "Enterprise."

Because it's the same bloody name being used again and again and again. Maybe the reason why people associate Enterprise with Trek is because the name enterprise has been overused like a french call girl.

It smacks of a severe lack of imagination by B&B to rename the ship and the entire show Enterprise. I can think of a a good name on top of my head. How about Ragnarok? Or Aegir. I'll even throw in Thrudvang.

They did the not called Enterprise thing with VOY and DS9 and wound up with diminishing returns. At the time it was a 50/50 split with two ships called Enterprise and two not. Rename? What was the ship and show called before?

377 episodes of shows with Enterprise. That's not counting the episodes on other shows where Enterprise was either featured or mentioned. 10 films with a ship called Enterprise. So we have 52% of all Trek shows with Ent and 90% of all movies.

Talk about being over done.

Oh and are you saying that DS9 and Voy failed because their ships weren't called Ent?

 

[Irishman]

It should've been set on a Daedalus class ship, spending less time getting shot at and more time exploring strange new worlds and shit.

Because doing that wouldn't have invited fan criticism and that whole can of worms! LOL

 

[Irishman]

Aside from the fact that I disliked most of the actors and I didn't like the design of the ship, I think it should have been called anything except Enterprise to at least keep the continuity straight. The first Enterprise was James Kirk's, not Scott Bakula's or Captain Archer's (although technically the TOS Enterprise was first captained by Christopher Pike)

I think they were terrified about not picking up new viewers if they had their crew posted on any ship OTHER than an Enterprise. The writers knew that Trek fans were aware of the Enterprise and had that association, even among non-fans. Noone outside of fandom knew what the hell a Daedalus was. They were worried about losing their ratings by going with an unknown quantity.

That's just my opinion.

 

[Anwar]

That, and Paramount likely wouldn't have let them stray too far off from what was familiar.

 

[Nerys Myk]

377 episodes of shows with Enterprise. That's not counting the episodes on other shows where Enterprise was either featured or mentioned. 10 films with a ship called Enterprise. So we have 52% of all Trek shows with Ent and 90% of all movies.

Talk about being over done.

Oh and are you saying that DS9 and Voy failed because their ships weren't called Ent?

They failed because less people watched them than watched TNG. Could be many reasons why. Though, the most sucessful version of Trek up to that point was about a ship named "Enterprise." The ship most people identify with Star Trek is called "Enterprise." The newest movie ( and a sucessful one at that) is about a ship nameed "Enterprise" Might be some life in the name after all. If its good ( whatever that means to the individual) is much more important than how may times the name has been used. No one other than the most jaded fan really cares about that.

 

[Bluesteel]

377 episodes of shows with Enterprise. That's not counting the episodes on other shows where Enterprise was either featured or mentioned. 10 films with a ship called Enterprise. So we have 52% of all Trek shows with Ent and 90% of all movies.

Talk about being over done.

Oh and are you saying that DS9 and Voy failed because their ships weren't called Ent?

They failed because less people watched them than watched TNG. Could be many reasons why. Though, the most sucessful version of Trek up to that point was about a ship named "Enterprise." The ship most people identify with Star Trek is called "Enterprise." The newest movie ( and a sucessful one at that) is about a ship nameed "Enterprise" Might be some life in the name after all. If its good ( whatever that means to the individual) is much more important than how may times the name has been used. No one other than the most jaded fan really cares about that.

To be honest I don't think we can suscribe the success of TNG to the name Enterprise. Other wise we would blame the failure of Nemesis. In fact TOS and ENT got cancelled the only trek show. Should we blame that on the name?

DS9 was a succesful show beating the disadvantages it suffered. Lesser so for Voyager. Which demonstrates that Star Trek doesn't end and begin with the name Enterprise.

 

[Tuvok]

I generally liked this show, especially seasons 3 and 4.

But I've always had this innate bias against it because it was called Enterprise, like it was trying to supplant the Enterprise of TOS and TNG.

You could argue that TNG tried doing the same by replacing TOS, but I always considered TOS to be "first" and nothing could change that, so I didn't care as much.

Maybe it's not logical, but that bias hasn't went away, even with time.

I too thought it was a mistake naming the show Enterprise as it ended being burdened by the name.

By labeling the Enterprise before Kirk's Enterprise they tried to give the old school feeling with new style to no success. The fact they tried to force an old Kirk-McCoy-Spock dynamic on Archer-Trip-T'pol at the cost of development for other characters really didn't help much.

Truth was the crew and story did not live up to the expectation of an Enterprise crew. The name came with too many expectations.

A Captain up to parr for one thing, oh and tech that felt like pre Kirk tech.

But yeah, the name was a heavy one. Should be one about humanity first steps on the Galatic stage.

Horizan.

You know a crew of intrepid explorers checking whats beyond the next Horizan.

 

[Bones2]

Enterprise isn't so illogical a name. It follows the names of the space shuttles. Enterprise, Columbia...some others.

 

[Nerys Myk]

377 episodes of shows with Enterprise. That's not counting the episodes on other shows where Enterprise was either featured or mentioned. 10 films with a ship called Enterprise. So we have 52% of all Trek shows with Ent and 90% of all movies.

Talk about being over done.

Oh and are you saying that DS9 and Voy failed because their ships weren't called Ent?

They failed because less people watched them than watched TNG. Could be many reasons why. Though, the most sucessful version of Trek up to that point was about a ship named "Enterprise." The ship most people identify with Star Trek is called "Enterprise." The newest movie ( and a sucessful one at that) is about a ship nameed "Enterprise" Might be some life in the name after all. If its good ( whatever that means to the individual) is much more important than how may times the name has been used. No one other than the most jaded fan really cares about that.

To be honest I don't think we can suscribe the success of TNG to the name Enterprise. Other wise we would blame the failure of Nemesis. In fact TOS and ENT got cancelled the only trek show. Should we blame that on the name?

DS9 was a succesful show beating the disadvantages it suffered. Lesser so for Voyager. Which demonstrates that Star Trek doesn't end and begin with the name Enterprise.

I'm talking about the identification factor people have with Star Trek. For non fans and casual fans Star Trek is about the Starship Enterprise. When they tune in they expect to see the Enterprise. When they tune out its because the show or movie sucked.

 

[nx1701g]

If I recall correctly in an interview with Star Trek: The Magazine at the time that Enterprise came on Berman said he selected the name Enterprise for the first Earth ship (he said they had considered other names as well) because Enterprise is a synonym for Star Trek. That was also why it wasn't named Star Trek: Enterprise during the first two seasons.

Sort of like how when NCIS first came on it was called Naval NCIS.

 

[Trekwatcher]

I was okay with calling it Enterprise. It never bugged me, and I liked the way they did not use the word "the" before using the name of the ship.