Should Endgame Have Had A 3rd Part?

[tomswift2002]

I was just rewatching Endgame, and I was just wondering, Should Endgame have had a Part 3?

In a way, and I don't like thinking of it like this, but it is the best that I can think of, should Endgame have maybe been done like Enterprise's Demons/Terra Prime/These Are The Voyages..., but with a story that was like TNG's The Best Of Both World's Parts 1 & 2/Family where the first two parts were the action part of the story, but then the last part dealt with the emotional impact of the crew returning home?

I remember when I first saw the finale back in 2002, I felt underwhelmed, since Endgame felt like the story had built you up to a high right at the last moment, and you were expecting a "To Be Continued", so that you could expect to see some sort of conclusion to the high that the story had just left you at. You just had Voyager arrive home, Admiral Paris just talking to them on the viewscreen, Paris leaving the helm to run down to sickbay (you don't even see Tom and B'Elanna together to celebrate Miral's birth), I feel that the writer's just left so many story lines undone that could've been tied up in a third part. That's why I was glad when the novelization of Endgame came out and it contained a part of Homecoming that allowed the story to move on from that high and let me see what became of the characters (of course then it irked me when S&S delayed the release of Homecoming by 2 years, so I had to wait till 2003 to read the whole story and its sequel The Farther Shore), including bringing Counselor Troi and the Enterprise-E into the story to help wrap up the Voyager story. Star Trek Nemesis brought a little closure, but aside from making Janeway an Admiral, it really didn't finish up the Voyager story.

In a way, I guess this is why I'm not as excited about Discovery coming out as I would really like to be. I would actually prefer a series set after Endgame & Nemesis, that could setup its own story, but at the same time there would be the opportunity to at some point setup a story point that talks about what happens after Voyager and how people in the Federation saw Voyager's return after the Dominion War.

 

[Prax]

I'm not sure how.

Scorpion had a third part like Best of Both Worlds. I Don't think TATV was meant to be a third part to Terra Prime even though they aired on the same day.

Perhaps if we saw family and friends in Caretaker, they could do a scene like at the end of "Empire of the Sun" where all the kids are reunited with their parents. As it is, they'd have to introduce new characters that we don't really care about. And since Voyager returned unexpected, there was no welcoming committee.

I like how Janeway says "Set a course...for home" which ties to Caretaker.

 

[Christopher]

Well, first off, "Endgame" wasn't a 2-parter to begin with. It was a single 2-hour episode, even though it was split into 2 parts for syndication.

But yes, definitely it ended too abruptly and did nothing to address the question of what would happen to the crew once they got home. That was a major shortcoming. I was far from the only person who saw the ending, blinked, and wondered, in the words of another entity named Voyager, "Is this all there is? Is there nothing more?" But then, I feel DS9 had the same problem, ending too abruptly and leaving the aftermath unaddressed.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Imagine if Voyager came along 10 years later and had Lost's flashbacks to before Voyager, flashforwards to when they got home and flashsideways to an alternate reality where Voyager was never lost. So many possibilities!

 

[Refuge]

In a way, I guess this is why I'm not as excited about Discovery coming out as I would really like to be. I would actually prefer a series set after Endgame & Nemesis, that could setup its own story, but at the same time there would be the opportunity to at some point setup a story point that talks about what happens after Voyager and how people in the Federation saw Voyager's return after the Dominion War.

I agree with you..

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

A 3rd part in the form of a TV movie to know the fate of each one, would have been nice to watch.

For my part, I would have wanted to know if :

- Janeway had to render account about some of her questioanble decisions, in front of an Investigation Committee -> of course, at the end, she would have been cleared and maybe, promoted just after but well, it would have been interesting to see her fight a last time with the support of her former crew,
- the pairing Chakotay & Seven was still on and if not, why/when they were separated,
- the former members Maquis were pardoned orif their situations were still jeopardized,
- Harry would finally get his pin of Lieutenant and/or find a stable girlfriend... or if he was going to leave Starfleet,
- Seven, Naomi, the Doctor, Icheb were well accustomed to life on Earth,

Anyway, to have a real closure!

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

In the same time, producers & writers would have surely managed to screw up the TV movie or whatever the form of this 3rd part so, maybe it was a good thing that they did nothing after Endgame!

That being said, IF there is another ST series made after Discovery, I hope that its action will happen after Nemesis and that there will be some references to the members of the former crew of Voyager (without necessary seeing some of our familiar faces).

 

[Jedi_Master]

I have a sneaking suspicion that any "3rd part" would just have been fan servicing.

"What happened to Chakotay?"
"Did Neelix open a restaurant?"
Etc.

 

[Lynx]

Honestly, no!

That episode should never have been made.

Instead of that confusing mess, there should have been a two-parter with a final showdown against the female Caretaker, a decent Kes return and a real home-coming for our heroes.

And maybe a "happy end" between Janeay and Chakotay as well.

 

[Prax]

Since season's 4-7 don't exist for you, you basically got your 3 part finale. Kes becomes a space goddess and Voyager continues on their merry way.

 

[Lynx]

Since season's 4-7 don't exist for you, you basically got your 3 part finale. Kes becomes a space goddess and Voyager continues on their merry way.

Not exactly what I want.
Besides that, I'm not the only one who's dissatisfied with "Endgame".

 

[Sophie74656]

I recently rewatched Endgame and I Still love it. I have some head canon stuff that would get them home in a similar fashion buy without the use of time travel. I liked the ending the way it.was presented. We saw them reach the alpha quadrant. I'm very glad they didn't involve the female.caretaker

 

[Sophie74656]

Honestly, no!

That episode should never have been made.

Instead of that confusing mess, there should have been a two-parter with a final showdown against the female Caretaker, a decent Kes return and a real home-coming for our heroes.

And maybe a "happy end" between Janeay and Chakotay as well.

I don't think they can show a happy ending on tv lol

 

[Refuge]

Honestly, no!

That episode should never have been made.

Instead of that confusing mess, there should have been a two-parter with a final showdown against the female Caretaker, a decent Kes return and a real home-coming for our heroes.

And maybe a "happy end" between Janeay and Chakotay as well.

I kind of like that idea about a showdown between the female Caretaker.

 

[Refuge]

I recently rewatched Endgame and I Still love it. I have some head canon stuff that would get them home in a similar fashion buy without the use of time travel. I liked the ending the way it.was presented. We saw them reach the alpha quadrant. I'm very glad they didn't involve the female.caretaker

I don't mind the female Caretaker idea but Endgame sat well with me. It was just a little ageist and sad to see them all retired and in Tuvok's case, damaged. That is why in part I get the Kes fans not wanting to see her having gone out that way. With Endgame when the Admiral meets up with younger Janeway and Voyager, it was like we were back in the game!

 

[Prax]

Endgame is actually very similar to "All Good Things." They both show a grim future for the main cast. In both shows, some of the characters have died, which other characters still can't get over. And they both end happily with a second chance.

Braga has said many times how he had Seven sacrificing herself to get Voyager back to Earth; that she's trapped between two worlds. She can't go back to the collective, and she can't be fully human(Human Error) so she would give her life in a final act that would be related to Voyager's final jump home, but said that Berman, Biller, et al, wouldn't allow it.

 

[marlboro]

I kind of wish that they decided that Voyager was "home" and that they chose to stay in the Delta Quadrant. Have the entire seventh season be devoted to leading up to several of the crew deciding to stay put. Several episodes that give the crew "strings" to the Delta Quadrant.
Have the final episode be a bit of a replay of the first one: 7 sacrifices herself to cure the Borg. Billions of formerly assimilated people are now helplessly stranded on throughout Borg space. Janeway feels a duty to not let Seven's sacrifice go to waste, so she and some of the crew decide to stay behind. The ones who want to go home make it back via the female caretaker or whatever.

A happy ending for those who want to go home and a "The Adventure Continues!" ending for the others.

 

[suarezguy]

I think a lot of the reactions to actually being home and reuniting with people are pretty easily imaginable and didn't need to be shown, especially as the pilot episode spent very little time with the crew before they got to the DQ.

 

[Sophie74656]

I think a lot of the reactions to actually being home and reuniting with people are pretty easily imaginable and didn't need to be shown, especially as the pilot episode spent very little time with the crew before they got to the DQ.

Agreed!

 

[MadeIndescribable]

I kind of wish that they decided that Voyager was "home" and that they chose to stay in the Delta Quadrant. Have the entire seventh season be devoted to leading up to several of the crew deciding to stay put. Several episodes that give the crew "strings" to the Delta Quadrant.

I really like this idea, but you'd definitely need the crew gradually acclimatising themselves to the Delta Quadrant rather than just staying put in the single/double episode finale. Like so many other shows though, I can also see general reaction to it being REALLY polarising among the audience.