should "don't ask. don't tell" be keep?

[Kommander]

I'm going to get a bunch of shit for this, but here it goes.

For the time being at least, it's a good policy. Who one likes to fuck has nothing to do with military service. Don't Ask, Don't Tell makes it a non-issue, and it shouldn't be an issue.

Homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military, and they shouldn't have to hide who they are. However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet. A lot of the military is conservative. If an openly gay person is antagonized in the military, yes, the people doing it are wrong, but sometimes it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, only who has more numbers.

When I worked at Subway, I was the only male employee. The other employees decided I was ruining girl time and that they didn't want me there. After eight months of pretty much daily complaints about me that security footage showed were bullshit, and mentioning to the manager several times "off the record" that their main problem with me was that I had a penis, she was fed up and had to make a decision: the right thing to do would have been to fire all of them. However, firing me would also fix the problem. Guess how that ended?

 

[Colonel Green]

Why is this here and not TNZ?

Because civil discussion of controversial issues in permitted in MISC. If you REALLY feel the need to curse at people, start your own thread in TNZ.

 

[Kirkman1987]

I'm in the Army Reserve, and think the current restrictions go against not only what this county stands for, but United States Military values.

I have seen more diversity in Age, Sex and race in the military then I see in daily civilian life. The military is a true blend of different sectors of America, working together for a common goal. Why homosexuals are not allowed to contribute confounds me, and I am pleased that more Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines are beginning to speak up and call this policy what it is. Un-American

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I'm going to get a bunch of shit for this, but here it goes.

For the time being at least, it's a good policy. Who one likes to fuck has nothing to do with military service. Don't Ask, Don't Tell makes it a non-issue, and it shouldn't be an issue.

Homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military, and they shouldn't have to hide who they are. However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet. A lot of the military is conservative. If an openly gay person is antagonized in the military, yes, the people doing it are wrong, but sometimes it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, only who has more numbers

Every person I talked to in the military says they serve with gay people and have no problem with it. However, I do agree that it doesn't have anything to do with military service. That's why, at the very least, it needs to be changed to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Care". The superior doesn't ask, the subordinate doesn't say anything, but, if it is discovered that someone is gay (it seems that the biggest cause is someone is outed by someone else), the military takes no action to find out if the allegations are true and takes no action to kick someone out. Basically, they ignore the issue of sexual orientation entirely.

 

[Geckothan]

I don't know about the Army, but this video sums up why they shouldn't join the Royal Navy.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icDB3kRKPg&fmt=18[/yt]

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet.

Then they should be forced to be ready. Certain things are inevitable; this is one.

 

[SPOCKED]

Why is this here and not TNZ?

Because what happens in Miscellaneous stays in Miscellaneous

 

[Kirkman1987]

I'm going to get a bunch of shit for this, but here it goes.

For the time being at least, it's a good policy. Who one likes to fuck has nothing to do with military service. Don't Ask, Don't Tell makes it a non-issue, and it shouldn't be an issue.

Homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military, and they shouldn't have to hide who they are. However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet. A lot of the military is conservative. If an openly gay person is antagonized in the military, yes, the people doing it are wrong, but sometimes it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, only who has more numbers

Every person I talked to in the military says they serve with gay people and have no problem with it. However, I do agree that it doesn't have anything to do with military service. That's why, at the very least, it needs to be changed to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Care". The superior doesn't ask, the subordinate doesn't say anything, but, if it is discovered that someone is gay (it seems that the biggest cause is someone is outed by someone else), the military takes no action to find out if the allegations are true and takes no action to kick someone out. Basically, they ignore the issue of sexual orientation entirely.

I think that's a better solution than what we have, but it's still not living up to the way things should be. People who serve this nation deserve respect as individuals, not as a false perception created by hiding the truth.

I'm an atheist, which is offensive to some both inside and outside the military, yet I proclaim my beliefs publicly, and would never be discharged for those beliefs. Homosexuals not only have the right to serve, they have the right to serve openly as homosexuals.

What you ask is the same thing we used to do to blacks and other racial minorities. Let them serve, but keep them out of the headlines, keep them out of the limelight. poppycock!

 

[John Picard]

However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet.

I think that was the frame of mind when President Truman integrated the military

 

[Amaris]

However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet.

I think that was the frame of mind when President Truman integrated the military

While there was probably some initial resistance, it was a good decision. People need to get over their petty insecurities when their lives depend upon another person's actions. It shouldn't matter what color or orientation they are, that's not the part that counts whatsoever.

J.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

However, the military probably isn't ready for it just yet.

I think that was the frame of mind when President Truman integrated the military

Indeed. Admiral Fitzwallace, what say you?

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f7js0mLwY4[/yt]

Sorry about the shitty quality of the video.

 

[Mysterion]

^^^^
Excellent stuff and dead right on.

And, besides when the four-star admiral asks if the "danish are for anyone", of course he can have one.

 

[Amaris]

^^^^
Excellent stuff and dead right on.

And, besides when the four-star admiral asks if the "danish are for anyone", of course he can have one.

I was thinking the same thing.
That would like if the President came to my house and asked if the coffee was for anyone. You better damn well believe it is!

J.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Nevertheless, I will confess that I have a hard time swallowing the concept of tolerance for gay people.

this is not TNZ...this is not TNZ...this is not....

 

[Mysterion]

Nevertheless, I will confess that I have a hard time swallowing the concept of tolerance for gay people.

As oppossed to what alternative course of action exactly?

 

[JuanBolio]

I agree that many in the military will have a hard time adjusting to gays serving openly, but I think that they should be forced to adjust, not the other way around. I'm kinda surprised at your thoughts on this, Kommander. You've never been one to accept the injustices of the world and act in accordance with how they will probably play out. After all, the last two elections you voted Libertarian in spite of the odds against your vote making one iota of difference.

Nevertheless, I will confess that I have a hard time swallowing the concept of tolerance for gay people.

How exactly do you think they should be treated in society, then? Or rather, what does your instinct say on the matter?

 

[Kommander]

I agree that many in the military will have a hard time adjusting to gays serving openly, but I think that they should be forced to adjust, not the other way around. I'm kinda surprised at your thoughts on this, Kommander. You've never been one to accept the injustices of the world and act in accordance with how they will probably play out. After all, the last two elections you voted Libertarian in spite of the odds against your vote making one iota of difference.

I've determined that the injustices of the world are more powerful than I am, therefore, I have to approach things with more subtlety to get what I want.

As for who I vote for, your vote made just as much of a difference as mine did.

 

[RJDiogenes]

When I worked at Subway, I was the only male employee. The other employees decided I was ruining girl time and that they didn't want me there. After eight months of pretty much daily complaints about me that security footage showed were bullshit, and mentioning to the manager several times "off the record" that their main problem with me was that I had a penis, she was fed up and had to make a decision: the right thing to do would have been to fire all of them. However, firing me would also fix the problem. Guess how that ended?

Hopefully in a discrimination lawsuit.

Indeed. Admiral Fitzwallace, what say you?

That's fantastic. Maybe I should have watched that show.

 

[CaptainStoner]

For the time being at least, it's a good policy. Who one likes to fuck has nothing to do with military service. Don't Ask, Don't Tell makes it a non-issue, and it shouldn't be an issue.

I think you're forgetting the part about what happens if someone is "outed". Having it be a non-issue is professional and all, but you're forgetting the flip-side to that policy.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Indeed. Admiral Fitzwallace, what say you?

That's fantastic. Maybe I should have watched that show.

You'd love it, especially the first four seasons (it was still good, but gradually declined in quality after Aaron Sorkin left). Lots of discussions on things you'd be interested in, like the interpretation of the Constitution and the history of New England - though mostly New Hampshire.