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Should Abrams Have Done A Clean Reboot

I think he should have. I know he was supposedly trying to honor what came before but ST09 seemed to really attempt to wipe out what came before and build on the bones of the original. I would have preferred them to never mention TOS and just reboot and have it a stand alone universe. To me the crappiness of the NuTrek universe just seeps into the old one and having Prime Spock stuck in the Nutrek universe makes it even more sad. Discuss.

No. What Abrams did was spot on. My only regret is that Chris Hemsworth was cast as Kirk's father instead of Kirk himself.
 
I tend to desagree with Malaika. I think a clean and independend reboot would have been easier accepted by the so called "Hardcore Fans", than this soft-pre-se-quel-reboot. Because the JJ-Boot is so undisicive, weather it is a continuation, or a new start over, the forums around the globe are filled with people trying to make heads or tails of it.

My Point is: would Star Trek: Star Trek 2009 have been a clean reboot - a new ship, a new crew with familiar features and names - the fans who did not like it would have had the opportunity to say: I don't like it, but people who like it are welcome to. I have my own Star Trek. (Of course, the debate would have been about which of the versions was the REAL Star Trek.)

But the JJ-Boot utilized the Prime Universe and changed it. So it became impossible to say "This is your Star Trek - and this is my Star Trek" because it is (according to the storyline of the 2009 film) the SAME Star Trek Timeline.

With a clean reboot, one could have explained every difference between the now shown and what was on the old TV Show. They could even have completely redesigned Klingons and Romulans and Breen... Including their backgroundstories

I think by trying to eat the cake and keep it at the same time, the KLO Team wasted a chance to really rid themselfes of the balast of the old storylines AND create a brand new fresh and original universe around the caracters. (That is at least their explanation why they wanted to soft-re-pre-se-quel-boot.)

Yeah, I agree Wulff. I'm a big fan of the JJ-films and I love a lot of what they've done, but the one thing I do think was a mistake was that they didn't more overtly unshackle themselves from continuity and stand confidently on their own feet. In retrospect, it feels like somebody got scared, and wanted to hedge their bets with the fandom. It's the same kind of thinking that led to TNG's first movie instalment being a cross-over with TOS, simply because somebody, somewhere, wanted to play it safe.

It's one of those things that in retrospect disappoints me about Trek2009. I actually like STiD more for having that natural sense of confidence about it, there's a much better sense of them all starting from a blank page in the second movie, but the 2009 movie now feels quite ham-fisted to me in the way that it went about 'passing the torch' from old to new. :vulcan: ;) They tried so hard to please everybody, but all they managed to do was create continuity snafus where a clean reboot wouldn't have had any at all.
 
An interesting question will be, what comes after the movies? May there be a fourth, fifth, maybe sixth movie - but what comes next? The stars are obviously way too expensive, to produce a TV show with them. And after all, a movie has to perform in the theatres for a view weeks, a TV show has to pull ratings every week for years. I don't see enough potentiall in the way, the last two movies went, so I think for a TV return there has to be a cold reboot - if not a reimagination. Even more drastic than the newBSG has done.
 
An interesting question will be, what comes after the movies? May there be a fourth, fifth, maybe sixth movie - but what comes next?

Too early to tell. If the movie is a hit, we'll probably get a fourth installment. If it bombs, Trek may be put in mothballs again for a while. Not sure I see a scenario where it goes back to TV.

...so I think for a TV return there has to be a cold reboot - if not a reimagination. Even more drastic than the newBSG has done.

Then it probably won't resemble the Star Trek we all know.
 
...so I think for a TV return there has to be a cold reboot - if not a reimagination. Even more drastic than the newBSG has done.

Then it probably won't resemble the Star Trek we all know.

I Would hope for one closer to the tone of the Original Trek before fanon, writers sucking all the complexity out and Roddenberry Going nuts screwed with it.

I would too. But with TV's desire to turn everything dark, I don't have high hopes.
 
Then it probably won't resemble the Star Trek we all know.

I Would hope for one closer to the tone of the Original Trek before fanon, writers sucking all the complexity out and Roddenberry Going nuts screwed with it.

I would too. But with TV's desire to turn everything dark, I don't have high hopes.

Yeah, but TOS was pretty dark at times. Honestly all they would need to do is take TOS remove the outdated things at keep a level of seriousness and ot would probably already come off as darker and grittie.
 
An interesting question will be, what comes after the movies? May there be a fourth, fifth, maybe sixth movie - but what comes next? The stars are obviously way too expensive, to produce a TV show with them. And after all, a movie has to perform in the theatres for a view weeks, a TV show has to pull ratings every week for years. I don't see enough potentiall in the way, the last two movies went, so I think for a TV return there has to be a cold reboot - if not a reimagination. Even more drastic than the newBSG has done.

Maybe you can reboot TNG as a show. Go with two stars to play Picard and Riker and then relative unknowns to play the rest of the cast. That would keep costs down.

Alright I'm just dreaming now.
 
An interesting question will be, what comes after the movies? May there be a fourth, fifth, maybe sixth movie - but what comes next? The stars are obviously way too expensive, to produce a TV show with them. And after all, a movie has to perform in the theatres for a view weeks, a TV show has to pull ratings every week for years. I don't see enough potentiall in the way, the last two movies went, so I think for a TV return there has to be a cold reboot - if not a reimagination. Even more drastic than the newBSG has done.

Maybe you can reboot TNG as a show. Go with two stars to play Picard and Riker and then relative unknowns to play the rest of the cast. That would keep costs down.

Alright I'm just dreaming now.
Or do it the way TNG did it the first time. No one in the cast was big star. Stewart was mostly known for supporting roles and stage work. Frakes had been on couple of TV shows, but wasn't a star. The two "biggest" names were Burton and Wheaton.
 
I think he should have. I know he was supposedly trying to honor what came before but ST09 seemed to really attempt to wipe out what came before and build on the bones of the original. I would have preferred them to never mention TOS and just reboot and have it a stand alone universe. To me the crappiness of the NuTrek universe just seeps into the old one and having Prime Spock stuck in the Nutrek universe makes it even more sad. Discuss.

NO!

Abrams was able to honor the past and move forward at the same time. If he had done a clean reboot fans would have rebelled.
 
Clean reboot or not, with Abrams & Co at the helm, for me it would have always been a

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Then it probably won't resemble the Star Trek we all know.

I Would hope for one closer to the tone of the Original Trek before fanon, writers sucking all the complexity out and Roddenberry Going nuts screwed with it.

I would too. But with TV's desire to turn everything dark, I don't have high hopes.
I'm surprised. I thought with your live and let live attitude that it only needs to entertain you and all is well. So I would have figured "even if it is dark" given the title of the most recent Trek movie. ;) So I presume "dark" on TV at least doesn't entertain you. How about DS9?
 
I Would hope for one closer to the tone of the Original Trek before fanon, writers sucking all the complexity out and Roddenberry Going nuts screwed with it.

I would too. But with TV's desire to turn everything dark, I don't have high hopes.
I'm surprised. I thought with your live and let live attitude that it only needs to entertain you and all is well. So I would have figured "even if it is dark" given the title of the most recent Trek movie. ;) So I presume "dark" on TV at least doesn't entertain you. How about DS9?

I'm not one that is much for dark entertainment where the characters have no redeeming traits (nuBSG). Deep Space Nine put me to sleep for the most part.
 
I would too. But with TV's desire to turn everything dark, I don't have high hopes.
I'm surprised. I thought with your live and let live attitude that it only needs to entertain you and all is well. So I would have figured "even if it is dark" given the title of the most recent Trek movie. ;) So I presume "dark" on TV at least doesn't entertain you. How about DS9?

I'm not one that is much for dark entertainment where the characters have no redeeming traits (nuBSG). Deep Space Nine put me to sleep for the most part.

I still maintain that going dark would still match up with TOS seeing as it did go dark quite a number of times.

Of course I could totally see the TOS crew finding themselves walking into trekified versions of the plots for Alien, Aliens, The Thing, and Event Horizon.
 
I would too. But with TV's desire to turn everything dark, I don't have high hopes.
I'm surprised. I thought with your live and let live attitude that it only needs to entertain you and all is well. So I would have figured "even if it is dark" given the title of the most recent Trek movie. ;) So I presume "dark" on TV at least doesn't entertain you. How about DS9?

I'm not one that is much for dark entertainment where the characters have no redeeming traits (nuBSG). Deep Space Nine put me to sleep for the most part.

Agreed, but I'd argue that the difference between New Galactica and DS9 was that the folks on DS9 had redeeming traits.

I sometimes wonder if Ron Moore forgot that.:shrug:
 
Gorn. Not enough Gorn. If the next Trek movie doesn't have a heap-load of Gorn, I'mo abandon this li'l fixation and finally watch me some Twilight. :rommie:
 
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