Ships Tactical power

[jpch]

ok lets see how people would vote for ships overall strength.

Strength = Hull/shields + Firepower + Speed

a few rules :

1- please do not vote based on your favorite ship
2-consider on screen evidence
Example: A Galaxy class survived 1 on 1 with a Borg cube same for an Intrepid with a Tactical cube(''Best of both world'',''Unimatrix 0'')
while Nebula,Ambassador,Excelsior etc failed... so clearly the other 2 are more powerful...

i wont include the Sovereign or the Prometheus since they are far more powerful then all of those mentioned.

 

[MacLeod]

Well in the case of the Galaxy Class and Intrepid Class defeating a Borg cube in those instances they where the hero ship. The Defiant's appearence battling the Borg was needed to get Worf onboard the Enterprise. Plus it had been battling the Borg for several hours.

In terms of storytelling if the hero ship had been an Excelsior Class it would have survived the combat.

 

[jayrath]

The on-screen evidence very clearly is that firepower, speed and shields are way down on the list of a starship's strengths. Far stronger is a starship's intellectual and emotional leadership.

Does the command crew welcome differing views? Are they ready to entertain competing philosophies? Do they have departments such as geology, anthropology, religion, archaeology, history, art and such, to fully appreciate alien cultures?

I personally don't give a rat's ass as to firepower. Those who see all "Star Trek" series as kewl blow-em-ups seriously miss the point. IMHO.

 

[jpch]

The on-screen evidence very clearly is that firepower, speed and shields are way down on the list of a starship's strengths. Far stronger is a starship's intellectual and emotional leadership.

Does the command crew welcome differing views? Are they ready to entertain competing philosophies? Do they have departments such as geology, anthropology, religion, archaeology, history, art and such, to fully appreciate alien cultures?

I personally don't give a rat's ass as to firepower. Those who see all "Star Trek" series as kewl blow-em-ups seriously miss the point. IMHO.

its just 1 part of star trek...and you are exaggerating.

 

[jpch]

Well in the case of the Galaxy Class and Intrepid Class defeating a Borg cube in those instances they where the hero ship. The Defiant's appearence battling the Borg was needed to get Worf onboard the Enterprise. Plus it had been battling the Borg for several hours.

In terms of storytelling if the hero ship had been an Excelsior Class it would have survived the combat.

you get still get an objective estimate of the ships strength.
since some of them were stated to be equiped with more powerful weapons (defiant had Quantum torpedoes)
some better shields (Intrepid had metaphasic and multi-spectrum shields) etc...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well in the case of the Galaxy Class and Intrepid Class defeating a Borg cube in those instances they where the hero ship. The Defiant's appearence battling the Borg was needed to get Worf onboard the Enterprise. Plus it had been battling the Borg for several hours.

In terms of storytelling if the hero ship had been an Excelsior Class it would have survived the combat.

Heck, even if the hero ship was an Oberth class it would still defeat a Borg cube.

 

[T'Girl]

It's a toss up. Either it's the future Enterprise J, seen in Enterprise series, because it more technologically advance than anything on the OP list.

Or it would be the timeship of Captain Braxton (sp?), for pretty much the same reason. Try to engage Braxton, and he would simply travel back through time to your ship's construction yard, plant a bomb with a thirty-five year timer, and the return to the future battle and watch you blow up.

If we referring to best ship of it's time, then I have to go with the TOS connie. Kirk consistently won battles against ships of that time period.

But it's important to note, much of the time Kirk out-thought his opponents. And once they were helpless Kirk would offer mercy and not simply "fire everything we got," and butcher his defenseless opponent.

 

[MacLeod]

Well in the case of the Galaxy Class and Intrepid Class defeating a Borg cube in those instances they where the hero ship. The Defiant's appearence battling the Borg was needed to get Worf onboard the Enterprise. Plus it had been battling the Borg for several hours.

In terms of storytelling if the hero ship had been an Excelsior Class it would have survived the combat.

Heck, even if the hero ship was an Oberth class it would still defeat a Borg cube.

I realised I should have said Oberth Class after I clicked send.

 

[T'Girl]

If the Hero ship was a work-bee, it would defeat a thousand Borg "tactical cubes."

 

[MacLeod]

Now now, maybe 999 a thousand is pushing it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spock wearing jet boots and armed with a bowl of plomeek soup could defeat a Borg cube.

 

[T'Girl]

My grandma Izabel on her hover-round could beat a borg cube.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Batman could..... Well you know the rest.

 

[Sandoval]

Although I'm not sure what the point of this poll actually is and what it will achieve, I think would be amusing if the lightly-armed nova class won over all these other ships.

I voted nova!

 

[The Badger]

If we are to examine this properly, then we need to ignore the concept of hero ships as that would skew the data. I'd also suggest working on the assumption that all crews are of equivalent quality. We're testing ship vs. ship here, not crew vs. crew.

 

[T'Girl]

I don't know about that, the crew in general, and especially the command crew, are an integral part of the ship's over all abilities.

Tactics and strategies are what takes the day, everything else being equal.

 

[The Badger]

Tactics and strategies are what takes the day, everything else being equal.

Precisely my point. The purpose of this thread is to see how each ship design measures up when compared to the others. Hence you must remove crew quality as a variable.

For example, if a Galaxy and a Defiant go head to head, and the Galaxy wins, is it because the Galaxy is a better ship, or because it had a better crew? There's no way of telling that, unless there is no significant difference in crew quality between ships.

 

[jpch]

If we are to examine this properly, then we need to ignore the concept of hero ships as that would skew the data. I'd also suggest working on the assumption that all crews are of equivalent quality. We're testing ship vs. ship here, not crew vs. crew.

exactly what i want cause what happens on screen is canon whether fans accept it or not.

 

[jpch]

I don't know about that, the crew in general, and especially the command crew, are an integral part of the ship's over all abilities.

Tactics and strategies are what takes the day, everything else being equal.

you could still get an decent estimate when comparing them vs the same enemy ships,and how well they performed.
like vs a Borg cube etc...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think the "data" we have really tells us anything.