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Ship names....Why no USS Kirk, etc?

No one said anything about the Kirk being a small freighter, but not every ship in the fleet--regardless of size or type--can be famous or simply in the vicinity of our heroes to be mentioned.
I can't recall too many ships in Star Trek named after Federation heroes. There was USS Shran recently. It would make sense, the ones named after first generation astronauts and cosmonauts (and other Federation members of similar note, if we're going to pretend Starfleet isn't a human club) . I tend to prefer non-personal name ships. HMS Dauntless and USCGC Vigilant sound so much better than USS Walter Mondale.
 
USS Gary Mitchell

After all the trouble Gary caused in WNMHGB, I highly doubt Starfleet will ever name a ship after him.

As for Kirk: Of course Starfleet will name a ship after him, but they'll have to use the full name because otherwise no one will know if it's named after Jim or George Sr.
 
I can't recall too many ships in Star Trek named after Federation heroes. There was USS Shran recently. It would make sense, the ones named after first generation astronauts and cosmonauts (and other Federation members of similar note, if we're going to pretend Starfleet isn't a human club) . I tend to prefer non-personal name ships. HMS Dauntless and USCGC Vigilant sound so much better than USS Walter Mondale.

Many US navy ships have non personal names, like USS Constitution ("Old Ironsides"), the Monitor, the civil war ironclad New Ironsides, etc. etc. Many ships are named after geography like rivers USS Merrimac, for example, and battleships were named after states, which is why the expression was "Remember the Maine" instead of "Remember the Decatur".
 
There is also a USS Kirk in Star Trek Online.

Might have been mentioned already, but there was a USS Archer on a computer screen in Nemesis, it came out a year after ENT started so it probably was a reference.
 
C'mon, Timo... Answer the question: are you equating soldiers with serial killers?

Not exactly, as the defining characteristic of the classic serial killer is that he has an inner urge to continue killing. Most soliders never kill in the entire run of their careers, and feel no pressing urge to.

But technically it's apt: a soldier is supposed to kill in series, and the victims are protected by law (of the victims, nullified by the actions of the soldier). And any organization wishing to separate itself from killing would jump at the opportunity for technicalities, considering the obvious propaganda impact. See the Muhammad Ali bit above. And Starfleet is all about platforms and slogans and invading on stun. But apparently not a taker here.

On a personal level... if a guy with a gun demands respect for toting said gun, well, there goes that respect. And for every soldier who says he killed for the good guys, there's a dead one who would have claimed the same had he lived through the former bit.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Not exactly, as the defining characteristic of the classic serial killer is that he has an inner urge to continue killing. Most soliders never kill in the entire run of their careers, and feel no pressing urge to.

But technically it's apt: a soldier is supposed to kill in series, and the victims are protected by law (of the victims, nullified by the actions of the soldier). And any organization wishing to separate itself from killing would jump at the opportunity for technicalities, considering the obvious propaganda impact. See the Muhammad Ali bit above. And Starfleet is all about platforms and slogans and invading on stun. But apparently not a taker here.

On a personal level... if a guy with a gun demands respect for toting said gun, well, there goes that respect. And for every soldier who says he killed for the good guys, there's a dead one who would have claimed the same had he lived through the former bit.

Timo Saloniemi

Soldiers aren't supposed to kill anybody. A few do as a matter of defending themselves, or, of course, to reach an objective as assigned to them by superiors. But 99% of soldiers in the world today (outside of some problematic war zones) never shed an ounce of blood.

In Starfleet, the number of "killers" is probably even far less, with all the scientists and such seen throughout Enterprise, Discovery, The Next Generation, etc. Our heroes, of course, maintain a high body count due to the extraordinary adventures they face week after week.
 
Of course soldiers are supposed, that is, designed, to kill, just as weapons are designed to create damage; the concept of a purely self-defending soldier is not a tactically viable one, and never was. It's just that this must be covered in a web of transparent lies, because everybody has soldiers and weapons, and the only way to create the asymmetry of good vs. evil is to lie a lot.

A successful soldier wins wars, which in the general case indeed need not involve much killing, or even much action: the most effective victories are those based on fear alone, making the enemy do your bidding without actual use of force. But if one fully accepts the lie that the soldier does not kill, then there is no chance of success no matter what the method. That is, the enemy can't be allowed to think your soldiers aren't supposed to kill. If you can't offer bloodshed as proof, you must at least talk tall, giving the impression that your promise of, say, "no first strike" is a blatant lie.

As for the Trek number of kills, Trek is all about weapons of mass destruction. Even the sidearms of the heroes are that. This in mind, the low body count we observe is doubly amazing: not only do the heroes show great restraint (although all of them kill at least hundreds, by blasting their ships out of the sky), but the enemy somehow still accepts this lack of bloodshed as a deterrent. But how can MAD work when the individual starship commander can, and on occasion has to, terminate entire cultures, and as a matter of peacetime routine rather than as a part of the war to end all wars? Why is there no gateway effect there? Why don't the enemies of the UFP constantly test the boundaries of the deterrence, allowing their soldiers to kill with these convenient WMDs until there finally is a response? It's not as if there would be a high threshold to cross, moving from moderate to unlimited destruction - it's just a matter of applying more of those same WMDs than usual, at least whenever the Klingons attack Earth or whatnot.

On the specific issue of James T. Kirk, we can check a few boxes:

- Did kill hundreds in action, by blowing up ships, but only dozens by directly gunning them down with his sidearm or punching them to death or the like
- Did threaten with bombardment of large numbers of people (including civilians), but never followed through
- Did threaten with other ways of getting large numbers of people killed, and sometimes delivered ("Taste of Armageddon" probably ended nonlethally, but "Wink of an Eye" led to mass extinction, say).
- Did enjoy a reputation of a warrior hero
- Did not earn the title of "Monster of XYZ" for any value of XYZ, or a reputation of being cruel, as far as we can tell

In both domestic and interstellar terms, Kirk would probably be the very model of the acceptable soldier, then, one worthy of commemorating both as an inspiration to domestic warriors and deterrent to foreign ones. It's just that Starfleet apparently doesn't do that through ship naming.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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Hilarious. Imagine being assigned to the USS J.T. Esteban or the Peter Preston. If Starfleet named ships for every cadet or ensign killed in the line of duty they'd need a bigger fleet.

Starfleet also doesn't give ships full names like that as far as I can recall. They tend to have names more like the Royal Navy than the USN.

Estaban was a Captain at least, though only notable for getting blown up.

We know Kirk as "the man" since TOS and it's movies were about Kirk and his crew. But for all we know, Kirk was one of dozens of famous Captains by the 24th century.
 
Starfleet is made up of several thousand ships, of which we've only seen a minute fraction, so there probably is a Kirk flying around somewhere.
 
I do like that that Decker-class ship list includes several ships named after people we never heard of (including some aliens) and isn't a complete fannish mess.

It's too bad that a Bennett/Cox-type author has never written any of them into their work, and we'll never see Captain Archon Chovich or Admiral Stonwin show up on Discovery. Probably due to legal issues or the implication of including FASA-derived information in the modern age. And, of course, the obscurity of it all.
 
I just remembered, the USS Tolstoy from "Best of Both Worlds" was scripted as the USS Chekov, but changed when they decided the reference was "too cute"
 
That all depends on when the USS Sarek was commissioned, which is kind of ironic, given his objection to Spock joining in the 1st place lol
He came round after the whales turned up.
Starfleet needs a USS George and Gracie since they save Earth's butt. They should crew it with personnel from planet Pacifica (the Selkie race)
 
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