"Shattered" question

[Captain59]

At the end, when Janeway asks about the cider in the cargo hold and says she can't say how she knows that because of the Temporal Prime Directive, was she taking a shot in the dark and guessed something to rattle Chakotay, or did she really remember something...or do we like Chakotay simply don't know?

 

[exodus]

Chakotay mentions at the start of the ep. that he was hiding it so Neelix, while during inventory wouldn't find it. I'm guessing he did and told Janeway he found something that wasn't on the inventory list, that's how she knows and is having fun with Chuckles by not telling him.

That's my best guess.

 

[JB2005]

Because thanks to the Patriot Act Starfleet tracks the location of its members at all times, and alerted Janeway to smuggled alcohol?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hoarding is an offense that should have got him keel hauled.

Look at the stink he raised when his ex stole soup off Neelix?

Besides I reasonably sure that Janeway and her writers don't know dick about the temporal prime directive which a year earlier during Relativity didn't even exist yet.

If her adventures in the future, are now historic events which happened in her the actual past as well as her personal timeline, the temporal prime directive according to "Captain" Ducane from relativity does not apply.

Girl is so afraid of that head ache that she's not even trying to understand time anymore.

 

[exodus]

Besides I reasonably sure that Janeway and her writers don't know dick about the temporal prime directive which a year earlier during Relativity didn't even exist yet.

Janeway knew about it from Braxton during "Future's End".

 

[Guy Gardener]

But it wasn't a law in her law books enforced or policed by herself or any one else living domestically in her century.

You could equally argue since that pot and whores are going to one day be legalized, so you might as enjoy the freedom of that looming legality now while it is still illegal, or suppose that cigarettes, meat and internal combustion are going to be criminalized soon enough, that you might as well admit that here now in 2010 that undue exposure to cars, burgers and booze should be means and cause enough for you to volunteer yourself to 20 years in the pokey.

Laws from the future are like laws from a foreign land.

Interesting but nonbinding.

 

[exodus]

But it wasn't a law in her law books enforced or policed by herself or any one else living domestically in her century.

You could equally argue since that pot and whores are going to one day be legalized, so you might as enjoy the freedom of that looming legality now while it is still illegal, or suppose that cigarettes, meat and internal combustion are going to be criminalized soon enough, that you might as well admit that here now in 2010 that undue exposure to cars, burgers and booze should be means and cause enough for you to volunteer yourself to 20 years in the pokey.

Laws from the future are like laws from a foreign land.

Interesting but nonbinding.

Which has nothing to do with her using the term "Temporal Prime Directive" in a joke.

 

[Deks]

I was under the impression the TPD came into effect sometime during TNG (right after the Enterprise-D was visited by guy from the 22nd century who wanted to steal the tech and 'invent it' as his own) ... though temporal anomalies were usually tried to be dealt with in a non-interfering fashion in the first place (unless the timeline was messed up royally).

As for Janeway not telling Chakotay how she knew about the cider ... well, it's possible she was merely having a bit of a joke at his expense, or referred to something that was not covered during on-screen events.

 

[AuntKate]

When he first arrived at her quarters at the beginning of the episode, he told her that Icheb and Naomi were doing a puzzle in the cargo bay. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out that he was there to retrieve the hidden cider.

 

[kimc]

When he first arrived at her quarters at the beginning of the episode, he told her that Icheb and Naomi were doing a puzzle in the cargo bay. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out that he was there to retrieve the hidden cider.

True.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When he first arrived at her quarters at the beginning of the episode, he told her that Icheb and Naomi were doing a puzzle in the cargo bay. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out that he was there to retrieve the hidden cider.

Bashir cited Starfleets "temporal displacement policy" in the past tense, the during trials and tribblations some one mentioned Regulation 157 section III paragraph 18 which is also about non interference.

It's all in your encyclopaedia under general orders and regulations.

The temporal Prime Directive is as redundant as it is nondiscriptive and possibly a trick.

Never, NEVER trust anyone from the future.

Horrible HORRIBLE things have to happen to preseve the intregrity of their present in the future.

 

[eepruls]

I've always hated the ending to this episode when Chakotay says he can't tell Janeway what happened or whatever. That whole shattered timeline never happened because Chakotay repaired it, so who cares. What's the big deal saying, "yeah, the ship was shattered into different time fragments and I had to put it together with a different version of you. Thank goodness I succeeded! Let's drink some wine."

Why was it such a big deal that he couldn't tell her anything when it didn't really happen anyways?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Becuase he doesn't understand what the Temporal Prime Directive is or for or means... IE (some of) the writers of this episode.

Ducane in relativity decided that he didn't have to wipe Janeways memories because she didn't have any too much information about the future, you know apart from the bridge of his ship and the composition of his crew and that the federation is going to make it... But they didn't seem to wipe anyone's memories after Futures End of take away the mobile emitter which was a hell of a lot more intrusive, even if the emitter was from a redundant future that was never going to happen any more.

Although...

I'm kinda getting into the idea that "temporal Prime Directive" is the 24th century equivalent of "That's what she said".