Shatner
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That doesn't appear to be their intent.
I imagine that if Shatner's willing to work for the amount of money that the studio (not the producers) are willing to pay him, he'll be in it. If not, he won't.
I imagine that if Shatner's willing to work for the amount of money that the studio (not the producers) are willing to pay him, he'll be in it. If not, he won't.
I understand what you're saying.
Or maybe they cud do flashbacks from previous movies or TOS episodes.
Kirk in or Kirk out. Really makes no difference to me in the long run. It's fun to speculate though.
At the least, they will probably refer to Kirk in conversation within the movie.
UWC, what your saying is we just created the buzz on our own without any help from TPTB ?
Granted they'er not telling US much these days.....
They won't tell us if it's a money issue even....
They're being really quiet over there at 5555 Melrose.....
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* We're scary if we have that kind of power to create buzz without any help from anybody
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Granted they'er not telling US much these days.....
They won't tell us if it's a money issue even....
They're being really quiet over there at 5555 Melrose.....
- W -
* We're scary if we have that kind of power to create buzz without any help from anybody
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But coming right out with it wouldn't do the same thing? Nimoy and Quinto on stage at Comic-Con, followed by Shatner and xxxx? The audience would've torn down the building.
UWC Defiance:
Who knows? But, I hope this isn't all about money. I'd hope Shatner would realize that if money was the story, when it came out, he'd be seen as petty, and it'd greatly tarnish his Trek legacy. Then there'd always be the baggage of the "what if Shatner had signed?" attached to the movie, too. Wouldn't be good.
jon1701 said:
Old Kirk is dead. No Katra. No living Spirit. Dead. Fell off a bridge. Fait accompli.
Only way out is to go back in to the Nexus somehow and...
You see, I just can't finish that line. I dont want to. It would be bad. It would suck balls. And that, my friends is why Shatner is not in the new movie.
That and money.
I completely agree with that sentiment -- and I'll even take it a step further...
I feel this film is supposed to be a grown-up and "realistic" version of Star Trek. And to be a "realistic" space adventure means no Katra, no Magical Nexus, no "Kirk is alive reset button", no unrealistic sillyness of any kind.
I'm not advocating that Abrams' film actively denounces the past sillyness. Heavens knows that every series, especially TOS, had its share of unrealistic plot contrivances, even in otherwise great stories (half-white/half black faces; and a culture that bases its ENTIRE civilization on one book about gangsters immediately comes to mind -- even though those stories were good, those plot contrivances were not). And I'm not against allegory -- I think todays audience can appreciate allegory, as long as it is realisticly presented. As I said, Abrams does not need to denounce these contrivances (because like it or not, they are part of the official record), but maybe he could ignore them a little.
In My opinion, for this film to succeed, it needs to be as realistic as a 23rd century space adventure can be. That means no bringing back Kirk from the dead. I'm not a screenwriter, but I can't think of a way to do that without some "magical/mysterious/deus ex machina" plot device.
And forget having Shatner play George Kirk or something such as that. It would be like 'Operation: Annihilate!' where they put a porn mustache on Shatner and have him sprawled on his stomach on the floor, then called him "Sam Kirk". That may have worked in 1967 (did it?) but it would not work today.
No...I, too, cannot think of a realistic and grown-up-movie manner to include William Shatner in this film. If Orci and Kurtzman wrote this film without including Old Kirk, there is no realistic way to "shoehorn" him into the plot now -- and even if they included him from the very beginning, I would be worried as to how they did it.
Said by Spock with 'one raised eyebrow': "Interesting."
When you use the words 'Star Trek' and 'grown-up' in the same sentence, the word 'oxymoron' comes to mind.
So there, I admit it, I am one, big, grown up kid.
You're right...
...but that right there is the problem that Abrams must overcome.
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I'm not talking gritty action scenes and hand-held cameras, but I think a little more realism is Star Trek would be a good thing. I suppose a "less geeky" space adventure is what I think would get the most new fans to buy tickets, and more importantly want to the next ST film.
And to shoehorn Old Kirk into a film that wasn't originally written around him would require a geeky/technobabbly/deus ex machina/unrealistic plot device, in my opinion.
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I'm not talking gritty action scenes and hand-held cameras, but I think a little more realism is Star Trek would be a good thing. I suppose a "less geeky" space adventure is what I think would get the most new fans to buy tickets, and more importantly want to the next ST film.
And to shoehorn Old Kirk into a film that wasn't originally written around him would require a geeky/technobabbly/deus ex machina/unrealistic plot device, in my opinion.
Which I think would need explaining to the vast majority of the audience.
Spock Junior "Whats the Nexus father?"
Old Spock : "Its this wibbly wobbly orangey flamey thing that flies through space which allows you to live inside it, dreaming about chopping wood and/or being in a house at Christmas with annoying kids. You cant fly into it with a ship though. You have to blow up planets to get in"
Spock Junior : (Raising an eyebrow) "Fascinating"
Old Spock : "No, not really..."
Spock Junior "Whats the Nexus father?"
Old Spock : "Its this wibbly wobbly orangey flamey thing that flies through space which allows you to live inside it, dreaming about chopping wood and/or being in a house at Christmas with annoying kids. You cant fly into it with a ship though. You have to blow up planets to get in"
Spock Junior : (Raising an eyebrow) "Fascinating"
Old Spock : "No, not really..."
No, DS9 was not less "geeky" or more mainstream than the other Trek shows. Make it more like something that's been conceived in modern terms in the last twenty years, not something that's a copy of a copy of the style of a series grounded in 1960s aesthetics and pacing.
Would it? After all, there's such a vast fund of stories about Shatner acting like a conceited ass that most everyone seems to shrug them off; indeed, at this point they almost seem to burnish his legend in a Sinatra-esque fashion.
If it comes out that Shatner wanted more money than Para would cough up, I tend to think most fans will be making jokes about how he wanted an air-conditioned trailer for his hairpieces.
Probably so.
If the one rumor about Shatner being somewhat miffed about not being included are true, I don't feel too badly for him. He had a chance to do Star Trek again during the fourth season of ENT and was rather exorbinant in his salary demand. I wouldn't expect him to do it for free, but some of the loyalty to the franchise that Nimoy seems to have might be nice. In any event, nobody has a right to claim that he owes it to Star Trek, but in return Star Trek doesn't owe him anything either.
I'm looking forward to seeing Abram's vision.
I'm looking forward to seeing Abram's vision.
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