I'm completely in favor of Shatner playing Tiberius Kirk, but not as a comic figure. I'd want him to play it straight.
Shatner scheduled to talk to Bob Orci?
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Within all that, I think there's room for the vibes ST09 and STID gave off to fit.
Yeah, i suppose if TOS brought us "Brain, Brain, what is Brain???" and space-hippie jams then the Enterprise being used as a sub or lover's quarrels between Uhura and Spock in the middle of a crisis situation fall within the range of storytelling of TOS.
All I am going to say is, for me NuTrek is 1 good movie to 1 bad movie, and Star Trek (1)3 is the tie breaker.
Personally, two movies in now, I think its time NuTrek break free of the past and establish its own mythos, finally, rather than glomming onto TOS or packing its movies full of Easter eggs, nods and winks to the past incarnations. I don't need to see 83 year old Kirk Prime (or whatever they pull out of their asses) and 30 something NuKirk meeting each other, just for the sake of "hey it's the 50th anniversary!"
But if they are going to have Kirk Prime in the next movie, they really do need to correct how he was killed off, and address the Nexus issue, somehow. I don't care how they do it: it could be a breif scene where the Nexus gets ruptured with some sort of event and setting Kirk's "echo" free in the alternate timeline, by a few brief memory scenes (a la mind-meld in Trek 2009), or just simply say in dialogue that Kirk was lost in a pocket dimension (don't even call it the Nexus) in the Prime universe and was rescued by Spock prior to Spock disappearing in the 2009 movie. Otherwise, what is the point of bringing Shatner back. Kirk has been recast. Shatner isn't needed anymore, unless it is to correct one of the most unpopular decisions in Trek history: the nexus debacle that was Generations.
Simply ignoring the Nexus problem altogether, and just having Kirk Prime appear is sloppy writing, and if they use sloppy writing to bring Kirk Prime back, then he is best left out of Star Trek 13 altogether.
Personally, two movies in now, I think its time NuTrek break free of the past and establish its own mythos, finally, rather than glomming onto TOS or packing its movies full of Easter eggs, nods and winks to the past incarnations. I don't need to see 83 year old Kirk Prime (or whatever they pull out of their asses) and 30 something NuKirk meeting each other, just for the sake of "hey it's the 50th anniversary!"
But if they are going to have Kirk Prime in the next movie, they really do need to correct how he was killed off, and address the Nexus issue, somehow. I don't care how they do it: it could be a breif scene where the Nexus gets ruptured with some sort of event and setting Kirk's "echo" free in the alternate timeline, by a few brief memory scenes (a la mind-meld in Trek 2009), or just simply say in dialogue that Kirk was lost in a pocket dimension (don't even call it the Nexus) in the Prime universe and was rescued by Spock prior to Spock disappearing in the 2009 movie. Otherwise, what is the point of bringing Shatner back. Kirk has been recast. Shatner isn't needed anymore, unless it is to correct one of the most unpopular decisions in Trek history: the nexus debacle that was Generations.
Simply ignoring the Nexus problem altogether, and just having Kirk Prime appear is sloppy writing, and if they use sloppy writing to bring Kirk Prime back, then he is best left out of Star Trek 13 altogether.
Didn't I see something that suggested the idea was for Shatner and Nimoy to play future Pine and Quinto? I'm sure I did, somewhere, unless I dreamed it. But I don't usually have Trek dreams ...
Within all that, I think there's room for the vibes ST09 and STID gave off to fit.
Yeah, i suppose if TOS brought us "Brain, Brain, what is Brain???" and space-hippie jams then the Enterprise being used as a sub or lover's quarrels between Uhura and Spock in the middle of a crisis situation fall within the range of storytelling of TOS.
There you go! That's the spirit!
Has that been absolutely confirmed, though?
If it has, I really don't know if I am interested in a film adaption of The Deadly Years, or some time travel story where old NuKirk played by Shatner meeting young PineKirk.
I might be onboard with Shatner playing PineKirk's ancestor, but that really isn't bringing Kirk back. It's just bringing Shatner back.
Yes. I care far less about whether Shatner is wheeled out for box office moolah than I do about the script for Nu3 not being a steaming pile like STID was. As the same writers are involved, I'm not hopeful.
The rumour was that it would be older Pine & Quinto time travelling back to the five year mission.
If they remade the Deadly Years it would be rubbish - Shatner & Nimoy would purposely be cast as doddery old guys. At least the time travel thing would have them in uniform on the Enterprise.
This movie is meant to be about the crew on their 5 Year Mission - it is feasible that the Nexus could pass through the JJVerse and ShatKirk would return. The Enterprise can be carrying Spock Prime too. It'll be interesting to see how all the pieces fit. Also aren't the Klingons meant to be heavily involved?
Three months until the shoot starts so things are bound to leak!
Question: for all those that think including the Nexus would be too much of a stretch due to its relative obscurity, what about Section 31? Even as a former die-hard TOS/TNG fan, I'd never heard of it, but it was central to STiD. I think the Nexus could be similarly introduced without too much overhead, say one or two throwaway lines at most (or a flashback a-la ST'09).
Let me add that I think this would be a terribly bad idea to do so, but it's not outside the realm of possibility given the depth of background knowledge the writers have. I would rather they erased Generations by ignoring that Kirk Prime was killed. I mean, the rest of the TNG movies could stand without those events. Just explain the Ent-D was decommissioned because of a severe design flaw or something, or that Picard was given the Ent-E as a commendation (and the Ent-D re-christened as another vessel).
Let me add that I think this would be a terribly bad idea to do so, but it's not outside the realm of possibility given the depth of background knowledge the writers have. I would rather they erased Generations by ignoring that Kirk Prime was killed. I mean, the rest of the TNG movies could stand without those events. Just explain the Ent-D was decommissioned because of a severe design flaw or something, or that Picard was given the Ent-E as a commendation (and the Ent-D re-christened as another vessel).
Personally, I think the Nexus would be fine. Generations did respectable business at the box office, and is undoubtedly remembered. Not the best Star Trek film, but not the worst either. Midway or slightly below, if any ranking I came up with, is an indicator.
If you want franchise crossing, 50th Anniversary material - you've also got Patrick Stewart, Whoopi Goldberg and Malcolm McDowell in there - assuming time indeed has no meaning and the Nexus can be tweaked enough, that it can be entered from and exited to any universe.
I'd probably go the whole hog, and have a recast younger Soran, threaten New Vulcan in someway. And that's where Spock Prime comes into the picture.
If you want franchise crossing, 50th Anniversary material - you've also got Patrick Stewart, Whoopi Goldberg and Malcolm McDowell in there - assuming time indeed has no meaning and the Nexus can be tweaked enough, that it can be entered from and exited to any universe.
I'd probably go the whole hog, and have a recast younger Soran, threaten New Vulcan in someway. And that's where Spock Prime comes into the picture.
Section 31 was not included because it is a particularly famous thing in Trek, the plot required the inclusion of a CIA-type organisation, and luckily for the writers such a thing was already written for them, it's just an Easter egg.
I hope they don't go there with the Nexus, I really don't. It was a dreadful plot device the first time round, and pretty much ruined the otherwise excellent Generations for me.
This. The name of Marcus's super secret cabal was arbitrary and meaningless to the plot. It could have been anything. They just borrowed Section 31 since it already existed.
The same could be said for random time-bending space anomaly. However, in the capacity in which it would be used in the case, the implication of what it would otherwise supposedly be is pretty specific.
A sequel (for Kirk & Spock Prime's point of view) to Generations in the NuUniverse would be very very bold! Yes I guess on an anniversary rules can be bent but in general it would be very risky - far bolder than the Khan business from the last one; however from a cinema point of view 22 years on they could 'fix' the infamous death.
Maybe the Nexus is a thing travelling through infinite realities and Kirk and crew come across it.
A major case against the Nexus is that Shatner has aged noticably since 1994; that was obvious in the Oscars 2013 sketch where he was back in uniform. Not that I wouldn't want him to play Kirk Prime/Old NuKirk; I'd welcome it with open arms!!
I think I would prefer to see him play a version of James Tiberius rather than Uncle Buck!
Another thing to remember is the focus will still be on Pine, Quinto and that crew while Shatner & Nimoy will be guest stars; the feel of the JJ films were very very different to any Trek before it and Orci will now doubt be continuing the general aesthetic; much like Trek 2-6.
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