SG-U – The Greater Good - (2x07) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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So a dip under 1m for next week then
What will it take for the show to be renewed? If its 1.5m then it has no chance of getting that.
Got around to watching this last night. Now that was fucking awesome. And they finally managed to play conflict between Rush and Young and have it make sense. The way Simeon casually walked into Ginn/Perry's room and shut the door was chilling.
I'm also glad Perry didn't just nonchalantly go along with Rush's plan. She didn't like being put in that position and it showed, and you could see she felt bad about it. I don't know who that actress is but she managed to make a pretty good character out of a measly two appearances.
The scene where Eli reminded Perry she was in someone else's body was priceless.
One thing that occurred to me just now is that absolutely nothing came of that little episode with the abandoned ship, did it? Young and Rush spent the whole time trying to get back to Destiny and never found out anything of interest. Huh. I guess it doesn't really matter. Sometimes a dead ship is just a dead ship.
The revelation of Destiny's mission was intriguing and well-played. It also makes sense why Rush would keep it to himself. He seems concerned that, if Destiny finds the "source" or whatever it is, it opens up potentially limitless power--even the power of all creation. Naturally, he is the only person smart enough or responsible enough to use it properly.
Young would mean well and just manage to fuck it up.
I have to admit I get some geeky validation out of the fact that we'll finally have a bridge and a crew running the ship rather than various control rooms. It only took a season-and-a-half to get there!
I'm also glad Perry didn't just nonchalantly go along with Rush's plan. She didn't like being put in that position and it showed, and you could see she felt bad about it. I don't know who that actress is but she managed to make a pretty good character out of a measly two appearances.
The scene where Eli reminded Perry she was in someone else's body was priceless.
One thing that occurred to me just now is that absolutely nothing came of that little episode with the abandoned ship, did it? Young and Rush spent the whole time trying to get back to Destiny and never found out anything of interest. Huh. I guess it doesn't really matter. Sometimes a dead ship is just a dead ship.
The revelation of Destiny's mission was intriguing and well-played. It also makes sense why Rush would keep it to himself. He seems concerned that, if Destiny finds the "source" or whatever it is, it opens up potentially limitless power--even the power of all creation. Naturally, he is the only person smart enough or responsible enough to use it properly.
Young would mean well and just manage to fuck it up.I have to admit I get some geeky validation out of the fact that we'll finally have a bridge and a crew running the ship rather than various control rooms. It only took a season-and-a-half to get there!
The good or noteworthy:
- A general change in the show's formula. They can now control where the ship is going.
- A possible first hint on the origin of the obilisk planet: the mysterious cosmic background noise intelligence. I just hope they're not going the "it's God!" route. Been there, done that (nuBSG).
- The Rush/Young conflict was also interesting. Young is pissed at Rush, because Rush is indirectly responsible for Sergeant Riley's death. And Rush kept Destiny's bridge a secret, because he doesn't trust Young and thinks he's a bad commander. The thing is, they're both right.
- A general change in the show's formula. They can now control where the ship is going.
- A possible first hint on the origin of the obilisk planet: the mysterious cosmic background noise intelligence. I just hope they're not going the "it's God!" route. Been there, done that (nuBSG).
- The Rush/Young conflict was also interesting. Young is pissed at Rush, because Rush is indirectly responsible for Sergeant Riley's death. And Rush kept Destiny's bridge a secret, because he doesn't trust Young and thinks he's a bad commander. The thing is, they're both right.
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I agree that this should have happened in season 1.
In fact, this is how I'd compress the series so we could get to where we are now without all the bullshit:
1x01/02 Air: two parts instead of three, as part 3 dragged a bit. We did not need an entire episode of bitching in the desert. Cut out the "water bug" subplot so we don't get "Water."
1x03 Darkness: Still worthwhile on its own terms.
1x04 Light: Dovetails nicely with "Darkness," so I'm OK with it.
1x05 Time: Keep it as-is.
1x06 Earth/Life: Compress the Earth/stone crap into a single episode.
1x07 Justice: This one was good, keep it.
1x08 Space/Divided: Remove the mutiny subplot. Focus on the alien attack and the tracking device inside Rush.
1x09 Faith: Kept only because it looks like this episode has later ramifications and it would be hard to get rid of entirely.
1x10 Lost: Yes, we got rid of "Human." It was just kind of a waste. "Lost" was excellent, though. A strong episode to go into the midseason with, though not a cliffhanger (and I think that's fine.) If we really need a cliffhanger, end with the disruption of the ship's FTL from "Sabotage."
1x11 Sabotage: Keep it. But not "Pain." No, fuck "Pain." It sucked.
1x12 Subversion: A good part 1 (of 4.)
1x13 Incursion: I'm not sure this really deserves two whole episodes. Maybe push some bits and pieces of part 2 into the next episode.
1x14 Intervention: Resolve the LA incursion. Skip "Aftermath." Other than Rush finding the bridge (which could easily happen at the end of "Intervention" or the beginning of the next episode) and killing Riley (which could be done in some other way more relevant to the story) it was not a very useful episode.
1x15 Awakening: Spend more time on the seeder ship. I wasn't sold on the silly alien storyline. Get Telford stranded on the ship, though. Interested to see how that plays out.
1x16 Pathogen: I liked this one and it had some good character work. Keep it. "Cloverdale," however, can burn in hell. Since Scott getting Chloe's blood didn't amount to anything at all, we can skip that episode entirely. "Trial and Error" was also pretty pointless, so unless the "Destiny can get in our heads!" notion ends up going somewhere, I'd be ready to discount that one, too.
1x17 The Greater Good: And here we are!
In fact, this is how I'd compress the series so we could get to where we are now without all the bullshit:
1x01/02 Air: two parts instead of three, as part 3 dragged a bit. We did not need an entire episode of bitching in the desert. Cut out the "water bug" subplot so we don't get "Water."
1x03 Darkness: Still worthwhile on its own terms.
1x04 Light: Dovetails nicely with "Darkness," so I'm OK with it.
1x05 Time: Keep it as-is.
1x06 Earth/Life: Compress the Earth/stone crap into a single episode.
1x07 Justice: This one was good, keep it.
1x08 Space/Divided: Remove the mutiny subplot. Focus on the alien attack and the tracking device inside Rush.
1x09 Faith: Kept only because it looks like this episode has later ramifications and it would be hard to get rid of entirely.
1x10 Lost: Yes, we got rid of "Human." It was just kind of a waste. "Lost" was excellent, though. A strong episode to go into the midseason with, though not a cliffhanger (and I think that's fine.) If we really need a cliffhanger, end with the disruption of the ship's FTL from "Sabotage."
1x11 Sabotage: Keep it. But not "Pain." No, fuck "Pain." It sucked.
1x12 Subversion: A good part 1 (of 4.)
1x13 Incursion: I'm not sure this really deserves two whole episodes. Maybe push some bits and pieces of part 2 into the next episode.
1x14 Intervention: Resolve the LA incursion. Skip "Aftermath." Other than Rush finding the bridge (which could easily happen at the end of "Intervention" or the beginning of the next episode) and killing Riley (which could be done in some other way more relevant to the story) it was not a very useful episode.
1x15 Awakening: Spend more time on the seeder ship. I wasn't sold on the silly alien storyline. Get Telford stranded on the ship, though. Interested to see how that plays out.
1x16 Pathogen: I liked this one and it had some good character work. Keep it. "Cloverdale," however, can burn in hell. Since Scott getting Chloe's blood didn't amount to anything at all, we can skip that episode entirely. "Trial and Error" was also pretty pointless, so unless the "Destiny can get in our heads!" notion ends up going somewhere, I'd be ready to discount that one, too.
1x17 The Greater Good: And here we are!
I'd say keep Human so we get some more positive character development for Rush, then make Pain about the Blue Fish Group getting some dudes on Destiny and Greer hunting them down. Faith actually can be easily lost if we move the scenes where they discover the robot to an earlier episode, such as Space/Divided, and omit everything related to it later in order to free up time for positive character interactions.
Very much agreed. I like the series so far but they should have done this episode in Season 1.
Having Rush disappear right when the ship drops out of hyperspace went on too long to be believable.
I agree, Rush got away with his disappearing act way too many times. I'm surprised Greer never took it upon himself to tail Rush.
Maybe Young realized that Greer should be allowed anywhere near Rush without company after Greer's rampage in Pain.
- So after all of last week’s episode, Young is still dithering?
- Where could Eli be hiding in that room that he can fit?
- “I need to keep an eye on him” – if you had done that while he was on Destiny, you would’ve been a lot better off.
- “I can’t from here!” – you’ve been on the ship for ten seconds and you know that?
- Robert Knepper has been criminally underused.
- About time these people figured out Rush has been playing them all.
- The insane power hungry doctor and the depressed quick to anger Colonel: who do you follow?
- So Destiny’s mission is to find God?
- Brody and Volker deserve better than to be naysayers to a couch potato like Eli.
- This episode seems to me to signal the end of the petty bickering on this ship and I for one welcome this.
- And no one was guarding her door, why?
- Where could Eli be hiding in that room that he can fit?
- “I need to keep an eye on him” – if you had done that while he was on Destiny, you would’ve been a lot better off.
- “I can’t from here!” – you’ve been on the ship for ten seconds and you know that?
- Robert Knepper has been criminally underused.
- About time these people figured out Rush has been playing them all.
- The insane power hungry doctor and the depressed quick to anger Colonel: who do you follow?
- So Destiny’s mission is to find God?
- Brody and Volker deserve better than to be naysayers to a couch potato like Eli.
- This episode seems to me to signal the end of the petty bickering on this ship and I for one welcome this.
- And no one was guarding her door, why?
Actually Air Part three was easily one of the best eps of season one from a story and character standpoint and one of the most impressive in terms of production values. Keep it.
If you want to get rid of anything get rid of excess Rush episodes. Far too many of those.
He wasn't walking around freely. He always had a guard. The last scene suggests to me he "got rid" of his guard. And to be honest up until the scene near the beginning of the episode with Ginn/Perry, he had never threatened anyone on the ship.
That's nothing. Jamil Walker Smith has been criminally underused and he has been on every episode. This series has a problem with underusing some of its better talent.
Couldn't agree more. I love those characters and perhaps that's in part because they do not come with a vocal, annoying fanbase who whine about the characters' love lives and refer to female characters who reject them as selfish b*****s. Enough of Eli and his love life.
Because Perry was not a member of the Lucian Alliance. She was after all allowed to roam the ship freely without any escort so why would she all of a sudden have a guard at her door?
No, it wasn't. Sure, there was some good interactions between Rush and Scott/Greer and Eli/Franklin and the dipshits, but the story was weak and uninteresting and Scott's pointless religious background makes me hate the character more than Air Part I and II did.
Oh, and Rush needs all those episodes because the writers keep trying to make him look like a villain.
I'm willing to bet T-Bag's guard is dead and he escaped to stop Ginn from telling anything about LA plans.
That being said, if Ginn is truly dead ...
That being said, if Ginn is truly dead ...