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SG-A – Vegas (5x19) – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)

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I find it funnier how uptight and wound up certain people get at the very thought of AU Sheppard being gay

Well, I couldn't care less if the MU or "real" universe Shepard was gay.
It is no big deal either way to me, even though it seems to be a big deal for a lot of people.

I just think that it is worth pointing out the facts.
And the facts point out that the MU Shep was not gay as far as we can tell by the female medic incident.
 
I find it funnier how uptight and wound up certain people get at the very thought of AU Sheppard being gay

Well, I couldn't care less if the MU or "real" universe Shepard was gay.
It is no big deal either way to me, even though it seems to be a big deal for a lot of people.

I just think that it is worth pointing out the facts.
And the facts point out that the MU Shep was not gay as far as we can tell by the female medic incident.

Precisely the same for me, it doesn't bother me either way, in fact it would have been interesting if they had made this Sheppard gay (though I suspect had they done it they would never have been so subtle) but at the end of the day he wasn't, that's not me getting uptight its just me pointing out what was said in the episode.
 
The writers took a good idea and ran with it and went beyond the formula. 95 of 100.
 
Now while we don't know what happened to the medic it's clear that this Sheppard was living with the guilt of surviving, it's no wonder that died in the end.


What are you talking about??

Temis was making a very interesting point about past storytelling methods for gay characters; and how 20 odd years ago if a gay character was ever introduced... he or she would have to either be the bad guy, or be killed by the end of the episode to "make up for it"; ridiculous as it sounds. Temis then mentioned that it was funny how the writers "accidentally resurected that bigoted element of fiction"... which they did, assuming AU Sheppard was gay.

And then for some reason you brought up Sheppard living in guilt and that's why he died. That wasn't the point Temis was making.

Yeah, you'd have to be familiar with TV and movies from the 1950s and earlier to know what I was referring to, though. But looks like alt-Shep wasn't gay after all, so the point is moot. (Struck me as hamhanded anyway, so it's all for the best.)
No she was complaining that they used Shep for another cliched storyline of a jittled gay lover.
I have this funny feeling you're not familiar with what I was referring to, making your contribution to this discussion also moot.

A more relevant point: Shep in our universe was depicted as being the type to have gone back and rescued a colleague, and not necessarily a romantic partner either. So why make the medic a romantic partner? Wouldn't he have taken a risk to rescue anyone? And doesn't that imply there is no actual difference between the tragic story of alt-Shep and our Shep's happier story, other than the random whim of writers?
 
A more relevant point: Shep in our universe was depicted as being the type to have gone back and rescued a colleague, and not necessarily a romantic partner either. So why make the medic a romantic partner? Wouldn't he have taken a risk to rescue anyone? And doesn't that imply there is no actual difference between the tragic story of alt-Shep and our Shep's happier story, other than the random whim of writers?

It might help your cause if payed alittle more attention to the writers on the show, this one was written by the series co-creator Robert C Cooper this wasn't done on a whim it was done to show what Shep. might've been if had been court martialed and dismissed from the Ari Force. Twelve people died because he disobeyed orders, that pretty much meant he would die by the end of the ep.

Not some misheard word that you mistakeningly applied to some gay stereotype storytelling. There was no gay subtext, it was all straight forward so to speak.
 
A more relevant point: Shep in our universe was depicted as being the type to have gone back and rescued a colleague, and not necessarily a romantic partner either. So why make the medic a romantic partner? Wouldn't he have taken a risk to rescue anyone? And doesn't that imply there is no actual difference between the tragic story of alt-Shep and our Shep's happier story, other than the random whim of writers?
It might help your cause if payed alittle more attention to the writers on the show, this one was written by the series co-creator Robert C Cooper this wasn't done on a whim it was done to show what Shep. might've been if had been court martialed and dismissed from the Ari Force. Twelve people died because he disobeyed orders, that pretty much meant he would die by the end of the ep.

Not some misheard word that you mistakeningly applied to some gay stereotype storytelling. There was no gay subtext, it was all straight forward so to speak.


As an aside, would you have had a problem if:

a) Rodney had said "he"
b) Sheppard in SGA were gay all along (ignoring the antiquated military rules)

Just curious
 
A more relevant point: Shep in our universe was depicted as being the type to have gone back and rescued a colleague, and not necessarily a romantic partner either. So why make the medic a romantic partner? Wouldn't he have taken a risk to rescue anyone? And doesn't that imply there is no actual difference between the tragic story of alt-Shep and our Shep's happier story, other than the random whim of writers?
It might help your cause if payed alittle more attention to the writers on the show, this one was written by the series co-creator Robert C Cooper this wasn't done on a whim it was done to show what Shep. might've been if had been court martialed and dismissed from the Ari Force. Twelve people died because he disobeyed orders, that pretty much meant he would die by the end of the ep.

Not some misheard word that you mistakeningly applied to some gay stereotype storytelling. There was no gay subtext, it was all straight forward so to speak.


As an aside, would you have had a problem if:

a) Rodney had said "he"
b) Sheppard in SGA were gay all along (ignoring the antiquated military rules)

Just curious

As with the others I could care less if he was gay, that's not the point.
 
If real Shep was gay it would make the exchange at the end of the episode when Rodney and Shep were both in Sheps dream have a double meaning.

Rodney "So this is your dream"
Shep "Yeah"
Rodney "I really thought there would be more hot girls"
Shep indigently "Yeah!"
 
I'd say I called it right.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com...moker-robert-c-cooper-answers-your-questions/

This was a tragedy. The hero always dies at the end of a tragedy. It’s a dark story about a lonely man with a broken past who sees a chance to be a hero and possibly end his life-long pain. I don’t think every version of Sheppard would be this heroic. I think Rodney’s point was that this reality is very similar to one in which a version Sheppard he met was heroic. The fun of AU is the variation and similarity. Some people obviously don’t like tragedies. The final sequence is set at sunset — not exactly by design but I think it worked out. We tried to make it progressively more magic hour as the sequence goes on. You can see the sun setting behind the mountains as the trailer explodes. Some have asked why Rodney doesn’t send help. Even if he did, it would not have been local. This is a high security situation. Sheppard gets up from his car and falls, dying, probably no more than five minutes after the explosion. We hear Harriman say the planes ETA is three minutes and they were already scrambled, meaning a chopper from area 51 with a special forces ground crew prepared to handle that type of situation would be at least ten minutes away. Sorry, but Romeo doesn’t save Juliet and live happily ever after. Of course, like I said, the show was designed so you could imagine it plays out the way you want. If you want to believe you hear the helicopter arriving over the final shot I can’t stop you.
 
^Rob Cooper's Q&A about this ep on JM's blog was pretty good, lots of insight in to the filming etc, well worth a read to anyone interested.
 
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