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SF Writer Peter Watts Arrested, Beaten At US-Canadian Border

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http://io9.com/5424502/sf-writer-peter-watts-arrested-beaten-at-us+canadian-border

After border guards asked to search his car, Watts got out of the vehicle and questioned what they were doing - and immediately was pepper sprayed, handcuffed, and placed under arrest. Witnesses in the car with him said he did nothing more than question the guards; he did not attempt to attack them. Nevertheless, he has been charged with felony assault against a federal officer.
Shocking to say the least.

There's a link in the report to where funds are being raised for legal defense.
 
I'm shocked. The witnesses (ie, his friends and/or family) claim he was completely innocent. Those malicious guards were just looking to beat someone up, they were! In no way was this guy most likely acting like a stuck-up ass (but hey, he didn't try to attack them!) and refusing to let them do their job. No way at all...
 
In no way was this guy most likely acting like a stuck-up ass (but hey, he didn't try to attack them!) and refusing to let them do their job. No way at all...

Last I checked, acting like a stuck-up ass was not a federal offense. Have things changed recently?
 
The #1 lesson I was always taught growing up in a Daryl Gates' America is that when the police or federal officials pull you over or are searching your car you *NEVER GET OUT OF THE CAR*. Officers are trained to take you down the second that happens.
 
My guess? His first mistake was getting out of the car without being told to. That right there escalated the situation. If he then moved towards the guards or refused to reenter his vehicle, while starting an argument that might be interpreted as a possible distraction from, say, the passenger pulling a gun or any number of things, it would be completely correct to subdue and restrain him.

And macing someone is about as non-lethal as you can get before beating on someone with your fists, breaking out the nightstick or shooting them. He's then handcuffed for his and the officers' safety.

Even if he was recognized, as an author, he wasn't going to get special kid-glove treatment.

Finally, assault can be the threat of or attempt to do bodily harm. If the officers felt threatened by his actions, assault is the charge to make. If he had actually done harm, then it becomes battery.

I believe the fact that they are federal officers makes it a felony. Simple assault is a misdemeanor.

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Of course, he says he was punched in the face, then maced, then kicked, then handcuffed, then variously abused, denied civil rights, etc. And hey, maybe he was. But somehow, I doubt everything went down with him being lilly white and the border patrol being black hats with nothing better to do.
 
In no way was this guy most likely acting like a stuck-up ass (but hey, he didn't try to attack them!) and refusing to let them do their job. No way at all...

Last I checked, acting like a stuck-up ass was not a federal offense. Have things changed recently?

TSA is getting a pretty bad repuation for their over the top behaviour.

A staffer for Ron Paul ran into trouble with them last year at an airport and it took legal action by the ACLU on his behalf to get it cleared up.
 
I hope he sues their asses off for brutality; short of actually taking a swing at the border guards, this is an entirely excessive reaction. Getting maced, possibly assaulted, arrested and charge for getting out of his vehicle and asking questions--what is this, a police state?

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
^Pretty sure you cannot sue the federal government. Am I wrong?

Yes, you can, if you are able to prove they denied your rights, or acted improperly, you can most certainly sue them. With that said, I believe the line lies to sue the officers themselves, not the entire government, but I don't know.
 
In no way was this guy most likely acting like a stuck-up ass (but hey, he didn't try to attack them!) and refusing to let them do their job. No way at all...

Last I checked, acting like a stuck-up ass was not a federal offense. Have things changed recently?
It's not. But as Base Delta pointed out, it very much can be. And somehow, despite people so desperately wanting to hate law enforcement, I sincerely doubt the jackass was acting properly. Despite his buddies claiming his pure and total innocence in the matter.

But hey, he's a sci-fi writer that a few nerds may have heard of in passing! That makes him special! He shouldn't have to undergo a security check or put up with 'The Man'. :rolleyes:
 
I read this today...
But if I am dismayed at what has happened to Peter then I am aghast at some of the comments in the various fora where this is being discussed. It seems that there are an awful lot of people out there - even in the readership of communities like BoingBoing - who are ready and willing to adopt a supinely compliant role in the face of abuses of authority. Some would have you believe that as a citizen you have to accept any order given to you by someone in uniform, and that a good beating is a perfectly natural response to any hesitation to do so. Furthermore, plenty of people who don't know Peter from Adam seem all too willing to attack his honesty and motives on no more basis that an apparent instinct to side with jackboot authoritarianism.

And you know what? Pretty much without exception everyone doing this is posting anonymously or under a pseudonym. There's a term for this: utter moral cowardice.
Lots of good reading here, too.
 
In no way was this guy most likely acting like a stuck-up ass (but hey, he didn't try to attack them!) and refusing to let them do their job. No way at all...

Last I checked, acting like a stuck-up ass was not a federal offense. Have things changed recently?
It's not. But as Base Delta pointed out, it very much can be. And somehow, despite people so desperately wanting to hate law enforcement, I sincerely doubt the jackass was acting properly. Despite his buddies claiming his pure and total innocence in the matter.

But hey, he's a sci-fi writer that a few nerds may have heard of in passing! That makes him special! He shouldn't have to undergo a security check or put up with 'The Man'. :rolleyes:

Right, people who are critical of abuses of power in law enforcement all desperately want to hate them :wtf:

If the author's account of what happened is correct, then it was a clear abuse of power. If there's more to it, then there's more to it. But at the end of the day, all law enforcement officers are public servants and not the other way around... there is absolutely nothing wrong with being critical or wanting to ensure proper oversight. If he was in fact beaten as he claimed then there is no excuse... mace and handcuffs would be appropriate if the officers felt threatened and needed to control the situation and had sufficient cause to do so. But a beating? That should never be an option unless there is no other way to subdue someone who is clearly demonstrated that they are a danger. And I have a hard time understanding how being a stuck-up ass represents the sort of danger to provoke a beating.
 
I recommend anyone automatically siding with the authorities on this issue should spend an hour or two reading over the 'police professionalism' category at Radley Balko's "The Agitator" website. You'll find many examples of excessive force, police misconduct, falsification of arrest reports, lying under oath, etc.

Cops aren't angels put on Earth to do The Lord's work. They aren't robots programmed to act as faithful public servants. They are human beings with all the weaknesses and egotistical demons any other human carries. Some are fine human beings. Some get the job because it gives them power. I'd no more trust a cop I didn't know than any other random stranger. And in my mind, Mr. Watts' report carries just as much weight as the 'official' police version.
 
No one's saying they are. What they are saying is that sci-fi writers aren't angels, either. Yet apparently they are, solely to garner sympathy for his horrible plight that was completely unprovoked! He's a sci-fi writer, afterall! How can he possibly have escalated a simple stop-and-search security check?!? There's no way that could happen! It was clearly the officers's fault!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Despite the exceedingly rare exception, law enforcement personnel do not go around harrassing, torturing, and beating people on a whim. Certainly not with witnesses around, and certainly not at a check point with countless other witnesses around.

I mean, people are trying to make it sound like this author clown was some God damned saint above the law. That he was merely standing there being all intellectual and peaceful -- he's a writer, afterall; they keep shoving that down our throats for a reason. There's just no way he was taunting, yelling, threatening, or moving in an aggressive fashion. No sir. What, the cops were all "sir, let us check out your fucking vehicle NAOW!" and he was all "whysoever would you want to do that, kind sirs, I have nothing at all to hide and you're certainly welcome to c... gahh!!" at which point they then tasered him in the balls? Bullshit. I don't buy that at all.

And I'm sorry, friends and family trying to suck up to a moderately (at best) famous dumbshit are about as credible a witness as a street bum you pay $100 to testify on your behalf.

Oh, and in reply to another post, yes: It's ever so shocking that people on a message forum are using an alias. One would almost assume that's the norm, critical or not. Golly gee wilikers, I wonder why that is? Oh right. Clearly it's because they're moral cowards with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. There can't possibly be any other reason.
 
Here's why people trust Watts over the cops involved: because there are witnesses, because Watts has provided a lot of detail, and because the only official police statements have included at least one big mistake, claiming he was trying to go from Canada into the USA instead of the opposite.

Watts and his supporters wouldn't be hoping the situation was videotaped by security cameras if he was the one misrepresenting the situation.
 
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