Set blueprint exchange

[Redgeneral]

In case anyone is curious, I've uploaded an image showing a quick overview of how I worked out the dimensions. In short Picard, was used a fixed reference measurement.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16135248097/

The image used above shows the K-beam arch at its full width at the corridor intersection. In the corridor body with the doors it is either trimmed or obscured by the very thick doorway (http://s757.photobucket.com/user/My...idor-encounteratfarpoint_zpscb9b48f6.jpg.html)

Is the corridor width determined up to the door frame or including the door frame thickness? By my calculations those very thick door frames take each 4 inches off the K-beam arch. Two doors opposite each over in the picture reduce the k-beam arch down to the 8' width (96")

For the Holodeck / shuttle bay / cargo bay, the arch (now a door frame) is at its full width.


For one episode, the braced corridor did appear in Voyager. In 1x06 - "The Cloud", they repainted the TNG holdeck door and frame black. The next time the holodeck appeared, they had replaced the doors with the newer voyager design.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16135002227/



In TMP, there are actually two types of braced arch. The second type of arch seems to have very different inset panels and possibly angles.

In the three images Mytran linked to:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0525.jpg - Kirk is standing in front of the archway I've blueprinted, but to his left is an arch with quite different panels
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0430.jpg - the blueprinted arch is in the center with the panel variant to the left and to the right
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0531.jpg - Decker is standing next to this alternative type.

 

[Mytran]

Nice catch on the Voyager holodeck!

As for the variant K-beams you mentioned, those are the ones used on the curved corridor sections. They do indeed appear to have different angles, looming over the floorspace more.

 

[Mytran]

I may be blind, but why can't i see 8'8" or 104" anywhere on the blueprints? someone able to point them out to me.

I know of the wedge, i originally put the wedge at about 1 foot narrower than the average corridor length, based on a guess and the fact that the k-beam width is visibly narrower on the TNG version while retaining the correct angles and edges.

By "length" I assume you mean the length of the different curved corridor sections? That's going to vary of course, depending on whether it's the outer or inner walls (not to mention that there are long and short panels on both sides!) I'm not in a position to discuss those lengths I'm afraid, but I can discuss the corridor widths, since the measurements for those are quite clear:

The extra 8" is gained by the vertical beams being present on the corridor junction outer wall (where the straight corridor joins). Of course, that assumes that the beams are no more than 4" wide, but it looks OK to me.

So to answer your question more briefly; the 8'8" measurement isn't listed anywhere, it is an extrapolation based on the related data

Also, interesting that the corridor doorways are 4' long, sickbay is larger than the average door, would that make it 5' based on the designs?

I wasn't aware that the Sickbay door was larger than average - do you have a source for this?

 

[lewisniven]

Count - the reboot set plans have been uploaded to the reboot album https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/sets/72157644596839965/

I've had a crack at making a full blueprint set for the braced arch (or K beam - we all seem to have different names for it...)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/15683384293/

Any feedback is greatly appreciated

Legend! thanks. Also thanks for commenting on my blog, I did see it. I checked your flickr and I think I have them all, much appreciated.

 

[lewisniven]

I went back and checked my model, turns out my guesswork was accurate to within 0.25" or so, so I'm pretty damn happy with that, just need slightly bigger rounded bits on the inside curves, they're a bit too 'sharp' as it is. I'll use redgeneral's drawing to dial it right in.

 

[Count]

I may be blind, but why can't i see 8'8" or 104" anywhere on the blueprints? someone able to point them out to me.

I know of the wedge, i originally put the wedge at about 1 foot narrower than the average corridor length, based on a guess and the fact that the k-beam width is visibly narrower on the TNG version while retaining the correct angles and edges.

By "length" I assume you mean the length of the different curved corridor sections? That's going to vary of course, depending on whether it's the outer or inner walls (not to mention that there are long and short panels on both sides!) I'm not in a position to discuss those lengths I'm afraid, but I can discuss the corridor widths, since the measurements for those are quite clear:

The extra 8" is gained by the vertical beams being present on the corridor junction outer wall (where the straight corridor joins). Of course, that assumes that the beams are no more than 4" wide, but it looks OK to me.

So to answer your question more briefly; the 8'8" measurement isn't listed anywhere, it is an extrapolation based on the related data

Also, interesting that the corridor doorways are 4' long, sickbay is larger than the average door, would that make it 5' based on the designs?

I wasn't aware that the Sickbay door was larger than average - do you have a source for this?

Meant to say width, not length.

 

[Mytran]

OK, now I'm lost

 

[Maurice]

Yes?

 

[Mytran]

Yep, that's what I reckon also Maurice, thanks.

What is it they say about pictures representing a predetermined amount of descriptive terms or something? Ah, I forget

In other news, I noticed that a certain section of the curved corridor is NOT a wedge as you might expect, but a proper rectangle! The section (that in its TMP days) had a 3' pocket door on each side of the corridor is one that I could never figure out if it was a wedge like the rest of the corridor sections. Well, turns out it wasn't.

 

[Maurice]

I never much liked the set arrangement for TMP, wondering why they changed it around so much from TOS. Then I realized it was probably dictated by the centralish location of the pit into which they wanted to put the engine core, which would force them to re-arrange everything else even if they didn't want to.

 

[Count]

Mytran: yea, that rectangle section became the entry to the junior officer's quarters in TNG with crusher's office entry opposite it.

In regards to the larger door, i made it with observation from TNG episodes. I had originally used door references elsewhere, here's a few shots from early season as an example:

Main ICU door: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x13/timesquared_hd_127.jpg Picard and Troi can easily walk in the doorway side by side with no shuffling or anything silly.
Office door: picard only has an inch or two clearance on each side: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03/nakednow_hd_442.jpg no way anyone could walk in that door side by side with any ease.
quarters set (stage 8 http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03/nakednow_hd_253.jpg data is only a bit narrower than the door. These comparisons gave me the impression that only the sickbay ICU door is larger than the rest of them, and the average door width is the same for all the remaining hatches on the TNG sets.

Also from the TMP days, even before the set extensions (and afterwards) this part of the set was really just a pair of sub-divided trapezoids:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/count23/For%20Science/voyagersickbaycloseup.png

It's a false curve in that area, possibly for filming convenience.

Also, i think the small alcove at the far end of the K-beam corridor is definitely narrower than 8 inches just by comparing how the centre light fixtures are against the top flat segment. I got the impression that it was narrower than the regular corridor, look at this screenshot: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20/heartofglory_hd_243.jpg . the alcove's light fixture is as wide as the flat section of the arch, whereas in the main corridor there's a good 3 inches extra space per side. Even on closeups it's evident that there is a substantial size different. In modelling it myself, when i shrank the width of the archway about 12 inches, i got a very similar appearance to what was shown in screenshots of this area.

the K-beam strut over the alcove there is definitely narrower than the rest of the corridor, unless these are some of more "severe" angled k-beam pieces that were installed there. but from my estimation it looked about a foot narrower than the regular k-beam (which kinda is closer to the 8.8 - 8 comparison from earlier, but i think it's more appropriate to say that it's 8-7.2 instead of 8.8 -8

but of course the k-beam was removed in Voyager, but i think that entire alcove was expanded to include the jefferies tube hatch (and the changes in main engineering's set), so that may not be a good reference.

 

[Mytran]

In regards to the larger door, i made it with observation from TNG episodes. I had originally used door references elsewhere, here's a few shots from early season as an example:

...

Also from the TMP days, even before the set extensions (and afterwards) this part of the set was really just a pair of sub-divided trapezoids:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/count23/For%20Science/voyagersickbaycloseup.png

It's a false curve in that area, possibly for filming convenience.

Actually, that alteration was only made when the sets were converted to TNG. TMP doors were all 36" wide (with a 6" frame around) and always located on the shorter corridor sections. TNG's Sickbay door was relocated to an adjacent long corridor section (along with the false corridor strut that you mentioned) and as a result could be made wider (48" door with a 6" frame around). Here is the original TMP set and the subsequent TNG alterations.

http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/TMPsickbaydoor_zps0ed33b65.jpg~original


(TNG alterations shown in red)

The door section "closeup" from the Voyager setplan was newly built for Voyager and did not exist in TMP/TNG days, which is why it is of the later, wider type. 3-foot doors probably create issues for prop handlers and camera men!

I'm still not swayed on the "narrower K-beam arch" idea, but one thing is certain, that alcove behind the Klingons is the same width as the wider one on the outer radius (the vertical struts on each side are a dead giveaway)

 

[Count]

You're right on the sickbay end, honestly I haven't looked at those too closely recently, I just remember trying to model that area accurately on the TNG blueprints and finding it a PITA. Didn't really notice that the sickbay door was moved though, interesting.

In regards to that alcove however, you do agree though that the archway is definitely narrower than the rest of it?

I found this screenshot in my reference library: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x02/where_silence_has_lease_hd_265.jpg

You can compare the main hallway's indented triangles to the alcove's frame, they appear to be aligned the same and this shot shows the small lab door to the left. So if you assume the door is on the edge of the set (ie 4' from the centre) then if you look at the alcove, it looks like there's about 4 inches or so of extra wall on the edges of the alcove's arch. So if the alcove is the same width, and the k-beam side is 8'8", then the extra chaff means the archway is probably what... 8-12 inches narrower then the main k-beam corridor?

 

[Redgeneral]

The alcove archway is narrower due to the length of the top beam being reduced at the middle. The sides are the same as the standard full arch.

I put a quick drawing up to show the corridor overview, line overlays on screenshots, and the changes to the arches
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16147817980/


In engineering the arches appear again, but the top beam has been significantly lengthened (also the sides are trimmed / blocked off)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16149382467/

 

[Mytran]

Also, i think the small alcove at the far end of the K-beam corridor is definitely narrower than 8 inches just by comparing how the centre light fixtures are against the top flat segment. I got the impression that it was narrower than the regular corridor, look at this screenshot: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20/heartofglory_hd_243.jpg . the alcove's light fixture is as wide as the flat section of the arch, whereas in the main corridor there's a good 3 inches extra space per side. Even on closeups it's evident that there is a substantial size different. In modelling it myself, when i shrank the width of the archway about 12 inches, i got a very similar appearance to what was shown in screenshots of this area.

Having had a chance to look at this a bit more closely (and on a computer screen instead of a phone!) and I tend to agree with you. But pictures are pretty, so here's a couple of overlays which makes the point better:


{click for full size images}

For source material I used the Klingon shot and superimposed the K-frame that Picard is standing in from Redgeneral's work (plus a quick colour change to make it stand out). The results when I matched the height are pretty conclusive; the K-frames around the alcove are grouped significantly closer together than those on the outer corridor junction. Roughly 12" overall is fairly close; it might even be 14" a fact I only realised when I got around to some good old fashioned MEASURING:

Since the width of the corridor is a known factor, it only takes some basic maths (and a ruler) to figure out the rest. I'm a little annoyed, usually this is the first thing I do!

 

[Redgeneral]

Mytran - when you pointed out the small arch size could be found by just measuring the corridor plan, I couldn't help but think "I wish I thought of that"

I've found some more TMP Klingon bridge (altered to become the refit torpedo room):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16170221049/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16356420795/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16355548552/

Oriignal Ebay source:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-KLIN...783?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf111ca8f

 

[Redgeneral]

I've created a blueprint for the Holodeck Arch from TNG. (click "View all sizes" for the full size)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/15752867774/

Any feeback is greatly appreciated

 

[Mytran]

The width looks OK!

But seriously, a very clean job. Having not studied the Arch in any great depth I can't offer much more than that, sorry.

 

[Count]

have you compared the arch you've got to the jaws of life doors? They should be able to give you a good dimension comparison to make sure you get as close as possible to accurate.

 

[B.J.]

I've created a blueprint for the Holodeck Arch from TNG. (click "View all sizes" for the full size)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/15752867774/

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see a "view all sizes" link.