seska...wtf
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If it had it's original specifications, because I saw an Excellsior class ship spooge the Defiant, but they were all prepared to go to war with the federation before the cool dude Jelico atomic wedgied those darstard spoonheads.
There was a week between Chakotay and Evek being taken and Janeway being taken. The Caretaker was super preoccupied with mortality and his unforgivable debt, so what other than processing Evek's crew was he doing for those 168 hours? And if they were processed... They were either sent back or they hid from Voyager as well as Seska when she rose to power.
Why would Evek tell Starfleet?
he was supposed to at war with those people.
they were an enemy he wasn't allowed to attack.
That's just super infuriating.
Besides the Romulans didn't tell either.
It's not like America instantly shared the bomb with all their allies, like y'know Russia immediately the close of world war ii?
Anwar, why don't you believe me or Janeway or Torres, when so say we all that the array was viable and usable right up till he point Janeway fracked it. I've tried many times to convince you of this but you seem to either being ignoring me or ignoring the truth.
No biggie.
However...
At least Kirk got laid mostly for half his troubles.
Ransom using aliens for fuel is the same as allowing the kazon to exterminate the Ocampa. Using suffering to buy bus fare. Janeway is a hero for for saying no to the easy way out and saving the aliens with the bad little hair cuts. It's a smaller, less dramatic sort of hero who saves the say with out actually having to gut themselves in the process... You know when Superman man rescues a kitten from a tree it's hardly as daring as when Ant-man does the same thing.
Using the array to get home would have made them assholes.
Some people, some species can live with that.
Starfleet officers can't.
Well good ones can't.
There was a week between Chakotay and Evek being taken and Janeway being taken. The Caretaker was super preoccupied with mortality and his unforgivable debt, so what other than processing Evek's crew was he doing for those 168 hours? And if they were processed... They were either sent back or they hid from Voyager as well as Seska when she rose to power.
Why would Evek tell Starfleet?
he was supposed to at war with those people.
they were an enemy he wasn't allowed to attack.
That's just super infuriating.
Besides the Romulans didn't tell either.
It's not like America instantly shared the bomb with all their allies, like y'know Russia immediately the close of world war ii?
Anwar, why don't you believe me or Janeway or Torres, when so say we all that the array was viable and usable right up till he point Janeway fracked it. I've tried many times to convince you of this but you seem to either being ignoring me or ignoring the truth.
No biggie.
However...
Dude, the story of voyager is about sacrificing your personal needs for the sake of the greater good and other little alien charity case buggers with plastic glued tot heir foreheads.
At least Kirk got laid mostly for half his troubles.
Ransom using aliens for fuel is the same as allowing the kazon to exterminate the Ocampa. Using suffering to buy bus fare. Janeway is a hero for for saying no to the easy way out and saving the aliens with the bad little hair cuts. It's a smaller, less dramatic sort of hero who saves the say with out actually having to gut themselves in the process... You know when Superman man rescues a kitten from a tree it's hardly as daring as when Ant-man does the same thing.
Using the array to get home would have made them assholes.
Some people, some species can live with that.
Starfleet officers can't.
Well good ones can't.
But the thing is, being brought there killed a lot of the crew and damaged the ship. Being sent back would do the same. I don't know why no one in the show ever bothered pointing this out.
It was clear to me that using the array would just kill more people, but everyone is so quick to jump on the "Janeway's a moron for not using timed explosives!" argument this goes over their heads.
It was clear to me that using the array would just kill more people, but everyone is so quick to jump on the "Janeway's a moron for not using timed explosives!" argument this goes over their heads.
By sitting down even.
Would you go on a roller coaster with out that safety bar?
That's the only reason people died.
They either fell over or ships systems which could have been turned off, or not stood beside, exploded.
it's the same with cars.
Hundreds of thousands of people die each year in auto accidents across the world for hundreds of reasons, but do they ban cars?
No they don't because it's mostly got to do with a bad drivers driving badly into things or people.
Of course then you get into the question of is drunk driving a good enough reason to ban alcohol?
But then all that is only because of bad drinkers.
They need to hand out licences to people to allow them to drink.
Seat belts.
If Voyager had seatbelts the fatalities would have fractioned.
A few dozen combined from both ships.
They crashed into a planet and they all died while experimenting with slipstream tech, but should they stop experimenting with slipstream tech, or never go near any more planets ever again because it was the colision which killed them and not the botchy tech.
Would you go on a roller coaster with out that safety bar?
That's the only reason people died.
They either fell over or ships systems which could have been turned off, or not stood beside, exploded.
it's the same with cars.
Hundreds of thousands of people die each year in auto accidents across the world for hundreds of reasons, but do they ban cars?
No they don't because it's mostly got to do with a bad drivers driving badly into things or people.
Of course then you get into the question of is drunk driving a good enough reason to ban alcohol?
But then all that is only because of bad drinkers.
They need to hand out licences to people to allow them to drink.
Seat belts.
If Voyager had seatbelts the fatalities would have fractioned.
A few dozen combined from both ships.
They crashed into a planet and they all died while experimenting with slipstream tech, but should they stop experimenting with slipstream tech, or never go near any more planets ever again because it was the colision which killed them and not the botchy tech.
Actually we have no idea what happened to Evek or his ship. The Vetar was damaged, true. But we don't even know if it ever got pulled into the Delta Quadrant in the first place. AFAIK, it was damaged before that happened. So they may not have gone anywhere at all.
For what it's worth, in the DS9 relaunch, Evek is still alive and is a member of a political group on Cardassia called the Directorate.
Yeah, all we know is that Evek's ship was damaged in "Caretaker" and in "The Voyager Conspiracy" it appeared that a Cardassian ship had been pulled to the Delta Quadrant. But, lots of things 'appeared' to have happened in "TVC."
None of which really played into Seska's scheming, IMO.
None of which really played into Seska's scheming, IMO.
What I don't get is how come no-one found her, Seska, out. She has a Cardassian name for crying out loud. Christ in a Zeppelin.
Did I miss something? How do you know that it is a Cardassian name?
Bajor was occupied fro 50 years. Cardassian Culture was probably forced down their throats and they probably got a larger food ration if it looked like they were playing along. it was in the best interest of parents to make their kids pass for Cardassian if only "on paper".
I believe much the same thing happened in the outer provences of the Roman Empire durng their glory days.
if there wassn't a cardassian bloke named Seskle(sp?) who showed up in the final season of DS9, an obvious masculated rendition of the name seska (IT'S HER FATHER!!!!!!) I'd go so far as to say that Seska isn't her real name at all, because with true names come power.
I wonder if Tuvok used his real name when he spied on the Val Jean?
Hells, even Seven pretended to be Anna Jameson during her scurry about on Voyager in 2371 during Relativity.
I believe much the same thing happened in the outer provences of the Roman Empire durng their glory days.
if there wassn't a cardassian bloke named Seskle(sp?) who showed up in the final season of DS9, an obvious masculated rendition of the name seska (IT'S HER FATHER!!!!!!) I'd go so far as to say that Seska isn't her real name at all, because with true names come power.
I wonder if Tuvok used his real name when he spied on the Val Jean?
Hells, even Seven pretended to be Anna Jameson during her scurry about on Voyager in 2371 during Relativity.
Did I miss something? How do you know that it is a Cardassian name?
In DS9, there's this Cardie bloke called Seskal, which would be the masculine version of the name. I think they try to explain that one in a novel, but I'm not sure.
But Guy Gardener's explanation makes sense, despite that.
Edit: Wrote that before I read the post. Sorry.
The acclimatization could have been the other was around, Seskal seemed old enuogh to have been born in during the earliest days of the occupation back when the cardassians were probably attempting to make it look like they were just "holidaying" and it was high ranking Cardqassians stationed on Bajor who were ordered to intergrate their children in with the Natives so that their invasion didn't look so pushy?
Then of course another thing the Romans did was rename their generals after their greatest accomplishments and victories, "Seskal" could have been the name of some province this bloke bombed back intot he stone age, and this was his Kudos?
Then of course another thing the Romans did was rename their generals after their greatest accomplishments and victories, "Seskal" could have been the name of some province this bloke bombed back intot he stone age, and this was his Kudos?
.....or like during WWII, Jews took German names to hide in plain sight.
I also forget how many among us have never seen "ROOTS"(Levar Burtons first role) about slavery and how slaves were beaten & tortured to break them of their natural cultural identity and forced to take the name of their masters. Their slave names.
I also forget how many among us have never seen "ROOTS"(Levar Burtons first role) about slavery and how slaves were beaten & tortured to break them of their natural cultural identity and forced to take the name of their masters. Their slave names.
All of which makes sense. Although I doubt the people who gave out the character names put as much thought into it as we do.
Maybe, maybe not.
They seemed to understand the basic affects of war and oppression has on a people from the Al Aurains to the Bajorians to the Maquis.
Seska goes real high on the the "Not Hot" list
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