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Series/movies that didn't make it

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Lord Garth

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Star Trek (cast from "The Cage")
The God Thing
Planet of the Titans
Phase 2
Starfleet Academy ("6th" movie)
Starfleet Academy ("Series V")
Black Ops ("Series V")
Romular War ("11th" movie)

Do any of these projects seem like they would've been interesting or do you think they ended up where they should've?

My take:

Star Trek (cast from "The Cage") -- The more I think about it, the more I think WNMHGB must've been written with William Shatner in mind or at least someone other than Jeffrey Hunter.

Likewise, the first season of TOS was written with a captain in mind who definitely didn't seem to be like what Jeffrey Hunter portrayed as Pike. Pike comes off as much more serious and is actually seasoned. Instead of showing what it takes to be a Captain at such a "young" age, he comes across as someone who feels burned out and that the incident on Rigel VII was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I believe the "Captain Character" itself was changed once it was clear that Jeffrey Hunter would no longer be involved. Since it would be a different actor with a different name altogether, Gene Roddenberry and others would be able to work out what they liked and didn't like about the character and change it early.

Most of the stories would've remained the same but they would be written differently and acted competely different. It wouldn't have felt like the same series at all.

Also, the series probably wouldn't have lasted beyond the first season because this cast didn't really have a chemistry.

The God Thing -- There's no doubt this would've been a bold movie to make, it might've even been interesting, but not as a movie that's a tie-in to a TV series. If it had nothing to do with Star Trek and stood completely on its own, that would've been better.

Planet of the Titans -- The concept of the Cygnians and Kirk spending three years lost is intriguing but the story itself was hard to care about. When I first read the description 13 years ago my thoughts were, "So what?"

Phase 2 -- This is a series that I wish was made. I prefer the script for "In Thy Image" over "The Motion Picture" as well as the 70's version of "The Child" over its TNG counterpart. As interested as I used to be in the Klingons, "Khitumba" would've made them so much moreso. The Klingon Empire of Phase 2 makes a greater amount of sense.

What most likely would've happened to this series is that it would've suffered the same fate as Battlestar Galactica. PTS (Paramount Television Service) -- the proto-UPN -- would've cancelled the series due to its expense and the fact that it likely wouldn't be making enough off of its other shows.

Starfleet Academy (TV or movie) -- This concept never bothered me the way it does so many others. My only question, in the case of the series, would be: what do TPTB or the characters do after they graduate?

Black Ops -- Sounds more like an Intergalactic James Bond than Star Trek but at least James Bond has the real world to play off of. I don't think this series could've sustained itself. The chance of confusing an uninitiated audience would've been high, moreso than with any other Star Trek concept.

The Romulan War -- The only thing that had me interested was having a Band of Brothers scribe on the project. Otherwise, this movie seemed more concerned with filling in a "history" gap than telling a story that most people would care about. The difference between this movie and the upcoming movie is that the attachment to and interest in the characters will now already exist.
 
Personally, I'd have liked a 'Black Ops' series. Something completely different, obviously it would need to have been done right, more in the tone of DS9 than TNG.

The only other one, The Romulan War, could have been great. Shame Enterprise chickened out of giving it to us.
 
I would have loved Phase II to have been made. I prefer Persis Khambatta's cool, placid Ilia to the TV version of the character we eventually got - Marina Sirtis' frankly somewhat dull Troi. Would have been great to see her in a series, and judging from his screentests Gevertaux wouldn't have made a bad Xon.
 
Angel4576 said:
The only other one, The Romulan War, could have been great. Shame Enterprise chickened out of giving it to us.

We'll get a 3-part series of ENT Romulan War novels next year, I think.
 
You left out the Assignment: Earth series, which I believe would have been a fun show, had it been produced.
 
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My understanding (limited, I know) is that it was a rejected independent series whose pilot was reworked into a TOS episode. I don't think that was intended as a platform to launch it as a series itself, but I could be mistaken.

By that logic, one should also include the alleged Harry Mudd series that IIRC Roger C. Carmel mentioned. I also would have liked to see that, I enjoyed the character's campy outings on TOS very much.
 
I never heard about a Black Ops series, when did the idea for this come about? IMO that could have been really interesting if it had been done right. I would have also liked to have seen a Romulan War movie, but hey, at least will be getting it in the Post-Finale Enterprise books. Phase 2 would also have been very interesting to see. The one that I wonder about the most in regards to P2 is what the franchise would have been like if we had gotten this instead of the movies and/or TNG.
 
JD said:
I never heard about a Black Ops series, when did the idea for this come about?

About six months before ENT debuted, there were rumors that three ideas for Series V had been tested in focus groups:

-Trek prequel (which we figured was Birth of the Federation)
-Starfleet Academy
-Navy SEALs - maybe that's the Black Ops idea

One of the three was the "clear winner" - the prequel, since that's what we got. I guess Navy SEALs came in second because when the ratings slipped, they tried tossing in some MACOs.
 
Lord Garth said:

Star Trek (cast from "The Cage") -- The more I think about it, the more I think WNMHGB must've been written with William Shatner in mind or at least someone other than Jeffrey Hunter.

Likewise, the first season of TOS was written with a captain in mind who definitely didn't seem to be like what Jeffrey Hunter portrayed as Pike. Pike comes off as much more serious and is actually seasoned. Instead of showing what it takes to be a Captain at such a "young" age, he comes across as someone who feels burned out and that the incident on Rigel VII was the straw that broke the camel's back.

This is an excellent point. Hunter's Capt. Pike would have lacked much of Kirk's drive, force of will, and earnestness that in many cases elevated lesser stories (or at least drove them along).

I don't see Pike (or Hunter) being able to carry the series as written.
 
Romulan War is the only one that I see as really be a missed one I would have loved to see that. I have alway been inrested in the fictional history of Star trek and the Romulan War is the big one for sure
 
Menacing Horta said: About six months before ENT debuted, there were rumors that three ideas for Series V had been tested in focus groups:

-Trek prequel (which we figured was Birth of the Federation)
-Starfleet Academy
-Navy SEALs - maybe that's the Black Ops idea

One of the three was the "clear winner" - the prequel, since that's what we got. I guess Navy SEALs came in second because when the ratings slipped, they tried tossing in some MACOs.
It's a shame it took them so long to listen, if there's any truth to this. The key description I've highlighted in bold... the difference between what we expected and what was only beginning to arrive 3 years later under Manny Coto.
 
It was generally assumed to be a BOTF show, yes. I for one was baffled when it was revealed as a 'first Enterprise show' with Captain Jackson Archer and T'Pau.
 
One that was missed (of couse it could STILL happen) was J. Micheal Straczynski & Bryce Zabel reboot to me it sound good (the pdf online http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/files/ST2004Reboot.pdf))I know many of you would not like a reboot but whoa this sound so good. Although there right it would suck to own a very cool car that your can't drive because it would lower it value to much compared to have a simlar car that a mod type (ie owning a Roadrunner Hemi recreation compared to a origal Hemi is alot more fun)
 
Chris-on-a-Pike said:
Menacing Horta said: About six months before ENT debuted, there were rumors that three ideas for Series V had been tested in focus groups:

-Trek prequel (which we figured was Birth of the Federation)
-Starfleet Academy
-Navy SEALs - maybe that's the Black Ops idea

One of the three was the "clear winner" - the prequel, since that's what we got. I guess Navy SEALs came in second because when the ratings slipped, they tried tossing in some MACOs.
It's a shame it took them so long to listen, if there's any truth to this. The key description I've highlighted in bold... the difference between what we expected and what was only beginning to arrive 3 years later under Manny Coto.

Unfortunately, it was a case of us hearing "prequel" and thinking "BOTF." Apparently that wasn't what TPTB were thinking. I'm still scratching my head at the notion that they'd set a series during the time when the Federation was founded, and steadfastly ignore that event. ;)
 
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