Series 9 Set Reports Thread (SPOILERS)

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Moffet

Moffat.

made a comment that The War Doctor had been around a long time (To see evidence of this, you can see in the reflection, that McGann regenerated into a young looking John hurt, and he regenerated into Eccelston as an older [current day] John Hurt)

I didn't dispute this at all.

I definitely got the impression that The War Doctor had worn out his body. Sure, he could've probably pushed it further, if the war hadn't been over, but, he definitely said it was time for him to rest when he regenerated.

See, I didn't get the impression that he was dying. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize that in the end, he realized his role (not being the Doctor) was over, and it was time to return being the Doctor. "Wearing a bit thin" is a self-referential line, winking at his first-ever incarnation. So in essence, he filled out his role as set by himself in his eighth incarnation, and his ninth incarnation would now have to fullfill the role of being the Doctor again.

 

[Sindatur]

Yea, I caught the Moffet vs. Moffat misspelling on my own

Sorry, I read your post as disputing he had been around a long time (IE: long enough to regenerate from old age, wether he had actually reached that undeniable point or simply close to it in age), my mistake for inferring

 

[Ithekro]

Unlike the 1st and 11th Doctors, the War Doctor died in a natural manner and regenerated as intended before death hit. The 1st Doctor's age was accelerated and his energy sapped by continual conflicts with the Daleks and the energy drain by the Cybermen. He died of old age ahead of his time.

The 11th Doctor, would have normally regenerated earlier than he did if he had had any regenerations left. a As it was, his old body just kept going as best it could until it was well beyond "wearing a bit thin".

Though I tend to think that the War Doctor lived over 800 years and that the age the Doctor keeps giving is his age since Karn and the day he regenerated from the 8th Doctor. This discounted his age from his previous life (so to speak) as the Doctor that did not go to war. The 1st to 8th Doctors lived probably 1,000 years or more combined. Add that to the post-8th Doctors and you have more than a 3,000 year old Time Lord...that in the form of the 12th Doctor, is rather grumpy looking. Even when he isn't grumpy, his face makes him look grumpy. The frown lines and attack eyebrows.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

While I share your view on the First Doctor's casuse for regeneration, its still a point of content. And for all we know, he really did regenerate due to old age.

Nothing about the Warrior's regenration says "natural causes". It simply looks like "well, my job's done, huh? Time to regenerate."

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I tend to think that the War Doctor lived over 800 years and that the age the Doctor keeps giving is his age since Karn and the day he regenerated from the 8th Doctor.

I agree with this 1000%.

Before "The Day of the Doctor," I thought that the new series Doctors calculated their age from Gallifrey's rebirth that happened sometime after Lance Parkin's Gallifrey Chronicles. Now I think the Doctor started counting from Karn, because when the War Doctor says he's eight hundred and the twelfth Doctor says he's twelve-something in the holding cell in "Day," that's a meaningful number to both of them.

Which is somewhat ironic; the post-War Doctors tried to forget him, yet they state their ages based upon him.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

I agree with this 1000%.

Before "The Day of the Doctor," I thought that the new series Doctors calculated their age from Gallifrey's rebirth that happened sometime after Lance Parkin's Gallifrey Chronicles. Now I think the Doctor started counting from Karn, because when the War Doctor says he's eight hundred and the twelfth Doctor says he's twelve-something in the holding cell in "Day," that's a meaningful number to both of them.

That literally doens't make sense. If anything, the Doctor would resume numbering from when he was the Doctor. Remember, he disavowed that incarnation.

Which is somewhat ironic; the post-War Doctors tried to forget him, yet they state their ages based upon him.

Thats what ironic? How about the fact that they never deny what they did in the Time War, just who they were when they did it?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I agree with this 1000%.

Before "The Day of the Doctor," I thought that the new series Doctors calculated their age from Gallifrey's rebirth that happened sometime after Lance Parkin's Gallifrey Chronicles. Now I think the Doctor started counting from Karn, because when the War Doctor says he's eight hundred and the twelfth Doctor says he's twelve-something in the holding cell in "Day," that's a meaningful number to both of them.

That literally doens't make sense. If anything, the Doctor would resume numbering from when he was the Doctor. Remember, he disavowed that incarnation.

The tenth and eleventh Doctors disavowed that incarnation. It's not at all clear that the ninth did, however. The ninth wears the pain -- and pride -- of the Time War on his sleeve. If the ninth Doctor continued to count his age from the War Doctor (and he must have, since his stated age is meaningful to the tenth and eleventh Doctors), the tenth could have continued that count out of force of habit.

I don't know. All that's really clear is that the Doctor's attitude toward the Time War and his role in it is a confusing mess.

Which is somewhat ironic; the post-War Doctors tried to forget him, yet they state their ages based upon him.

Thats what ironic? How about the fact that they never deny what they did in the Time War, just who they were when they did it?

That's just dissociation. People do that when faced with trauma. They accept it happened and pretend it happened to someone else. That's not irony. That's psychology.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

The tenth and eleventh Doctors disavowed that incarnation. It's not at all clear that the ninth did, however. The ninth wears the pain -- and pride -- of the Time War on his sleeve. If the ninth Doctor continued to count his age from the War Doctor (and he must have, since his stated age is meaningful to the tenth and eleventh Doctors), the tenth could have continued that count out of force of habit.

The Ninth Doctor wasn't proud he wiped out his own people. He was glad the Daleks were gone, but Gallifrey clearly aches him.

I just don't see a reason for the Doctor to "reset" his age as the Warrior, but also keep going with it because, you know?

I don't know. All that's really clear is that the Doctor's attitude toward the Time War and his role in it is a confusing mess.

Not least because that mess was created the moment the Warrior was conceived as a ploy to garner more attention to the 50th anniversary.

I really hate Moffat sometimes.

That's just dissociation. People do that when faced with trauma. They accept it happened and pretend it happened to someone else. That's not irony. That's psychology.

But thats the thing: Nine, Ten and even Eleven never said "he did it." They always said "I did it."

"I made it happen."

Thats not dissociation. Thats admittance.

 

[Nightowl1701]

While I share your view on the First Doctor's cause for regeneration, its still a point of content. And for all we know, he really did regenerate due to old age.

Age + prolonged exposure to the Daleks' Time Destructor + Life force transference on the world of The Savages + The Tenth Planet Mondas vacuuming the energy of everything/everyone near it. The poor man was drained dry, so worn out (as the actor who played him) he couldn't regenerate for the first time without an assist from the TARDIS.

Nothing about the Warrior's regeneration says "natural causes". It simply looks like "well, my job's done, huh? Time to regenerate."

The impression I got (and the wink at Hartnell's regeneration made me think of it too) was the TARDIS actually started the regeneration process for him. He was holding the controls when his hands started to glow. "Oh yes, of course. Makes sense," he says, since the war's over, he knows he's about to lose his memory of saving Gallifrey any second and his body is "wearing a bit thin" at any rate. Easier to just go ahead and wipe the slate clean, and chalk up his amnesia about how exactly the war ended to the usual side effects of regeneration. (Once the newborn Nine looks on the monitor and sees no Gallifrey there, he jumps to the obvious, tragic conclusion.)

 

[Doctorwhovian]

From a production standpoint, I think the scene was sort of intended to give us the regeneration we didn't get from "Rose", although with a still shot of Eccleston in mid-transformation because he wouldn't do the special (makes you wonder, did he still have Hurt's beard?). Ditto with "Night of the Doctor", giving us closure to the Eighth.


Although nobody really expected an in-between incarnation.

 

[Samurai8472]

Easier to just go ahead and wipe the slate clean, and chalk up his amnesia about how exactly the war ended to the usual side effects of regeneration. (Once the newborn Nine looks on the monitor and sees no Gallifrey there, he jumps to the obvious, tragic conclusion.)

Interesting idea. I thought over time (once the new doctor settles in) he starts to remember about 80% of things

Although

- Eleven couldn't remember the underground and ice warriors

- 12 could not for the life of him remember robots on a ship using crew members as parts.

 

[Ithekro]

Some things were a long time ago, even for the Doctor.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Interesting idea. I thought over time (once the new doctor settles in) he starts to remember about 80% of things

Although

- Eleven couldn't remember the underground and ice warriors

Do you mean the Great Intelligence? His previous encounter with the GI was over 800 years earlier (and possibly longer than that, since the Doctor's age between old series and new aren't compatible).

12 could not for the life of him remember robots on a ship using crew members as parts.

That was eleven hundred years earlier in the Doctor's life. Honestly, after 900 years on Trenzalore, I'm surprised the Doctor remembers much of anything about his pre-Trenzalore life. It was never realistic to me that the twelfth Doctor treated Clara as anything but a complete stranger in "Deep Breath."

 

[StCoop]

At the risk of actually talking about the subject of the thread... count the Osgoods!

 

[Ithekro]

That is just a whole lot of question marks.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

ΟΚ, this is starting to look interesting. The behind the one in the pic above seems to wear the Fourth's coat from the Williams era.

 

[The Wormhole]

- Eleven couldn't remember the underground

I just interpreted that as a meta reference to The Web of Fear being a missing story, which it essentially was when The Snowmen aired (only one part of it was available). The missing story is something the Doctor has forgotten.

- 12 could not for the life of him remember robots on a ship using crew members as parts.

Post-regeneration issues. I'm sure once he did his thing in the zero room his memory works just fine. He did later remember "are you my mummy?" to use as a joke in Mummy on the Orient Express.

 

[Lonemagpie]

They already announced there was a Zygon story this season, so multiple Osgoods are to be expected... and of course she has a stunt double as well.

Speaking of Zygons, location photos reveal they've got new, er, features.... Sort of NSFW features...

https://41.media.tumblr.com/daf1495d486d1224694f80655cf51914/tumblr_not2r62OoH1qg317go1_540.jpg

 

[Samurai8472]

Tons of new set photos

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mugim0e/sets/72157653449646135

 

[The Wormhole]

I noticed in one of this pictures Osgood's glasses are taped together. Is this how we're going to tell them apart, real Osgood wears taped up glasses, Zygon Osgood wears perfectly intact glasses?

Also, I'd say this makes it pretty damn clear that Osgood is returning from the dead and this episode is not going to be set prior to Death in Heaven.