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Sequel to 'The Menagerie'?

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I've always thought that 'The Menagerie' from TOS was one of the franchise's best and most fascinating episodes, as much as for what it doesn't say than what it does. The Talosians seem to be a fascinating race and I think it would be interesting to learn more about their backstory or about how they came to be the beings that they are portrayed to be.

What I am wondering is how a sequel to 'The Menagerie' might look? It was clear that the Talosians felt the humans were 'their last hope' and that Pike not staying with them originally doomed them to eventual extinction. But what about once he went back? What happened? Did their race prosper? Or did they all just live 'happily ever after' until the Talosians died out?

They are an interesting race, these Talosians....I would be interested to hear what others think about this.
 
There's a novel called Burning Dreams which might be worth keeping an eye out for.

(Hard to imagine it's already been almost ten years to the day since that book was first published...)

Might have to check that book out. Might be interesting to where those characters go after The Menagerie.
 
I also highly recommend "The Final Mission" in DC Comics' Star Trek Annual #2 by Mike W. Barr and Dan Jurgens. It tells the last story of the five-year mission of TOS, where Kirk and his crew are drawn back to Talos IV, only to discover that someone else has learned how the Talosians cast illusions...
 
It was safe for Pike to return to Talos IV because neither he nor Vina were in condition as breeders. Spock realized it was a "logical" solution to Pike's retirement problem because the Talosians could "free" him from his physical body.

FORBIDDEN PLANET was unquestionably an influence on STAR TREK. Just that scene with Adams and Quinn about how impossible it is to fix the broken gear screams "Kirk & Scotty!" ("I need warp speed in three minutes, or we're all dead.") The stories of the Krell and of the Talosians are very similar, but the movie writers put a lid on it by destroying Altair IV.

But there's no putting genies back in bottles. During the development of atomic weapons, some Manhattan Project scientists urged politicians to not use the device because exploding it would "give away" the secret that such a weapon was even possible. Since other scientists elsewhere in the world were already working on the problem, burying the American research (which was also being funneled to the Soviet Union by spies) would have made no difference. Someone would eventually rediscover the work.

After reading the FORBIDDEN PLANET novelization and a prequel story (which was not all that good), I realized that Altaira could have been the focus of a sequel. I don't see such sequel as a marketable movie, but a novel might explore some interesting concepts. You see, Alta must have been exposed to the "plastic educator" because she was joined to Morbius during the attack of the "id monster"—she saw the whole thing as a nightmare. So, how much of the Krell knowledge had she absorbed? Morbius must have known he wouldn't live long enough to complete his researches, and so needed an heir. Aside from the usual protectiveness of a father for his daughter, the arrival of the C-57D threatened his whole project just like the Beleraphon did.

The books prompted some other realizations. In the movie we see Earth fauna, which Morbius explains away as specimens from a Krell expedition to Earth millions of years ago. To the best of our knowledge, deer and tigers then did not look like their modern variants. Nor is it likely that they'd look like modern Earth types after such a long separation on Altair IV. Then Adams has to kill a tiger that tries to attack him. My first impression on seeing the film is that it was because Morbius made the tiger attack. Now I realize that the tiger, as such, did not really exist. When the great cataclysm destroyed the Krell—and everything on the surface of the planet—any specimens from Earth would have been destroyed along with everything else. But since Morbius had read about Earth specimens in the Krell records, he expected to see some—and the great machine provided. Morbius even tells us how the power gauges on the machine register when birds migrate. In other words, the tiger was yet another "id monster" similar to the one that attacked the C-57D.

And there's more.

Morbius tells Adams that the Beleraphon skipper was killed by his exposure to the plastic educator. Was that another subconscious attack by Morbius, or was the skipper's brain just too different to take the "brain boost" the way Morbius did? (And later Altaira.) Consider: the Krell had visited Earth. Is it possible they "tinkered" with some of the animals there, like Arthur C. Clarke's extraterrestrials in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY? That is, did Morbius survive the plastic educator because he was a descendant of a hominid that had been modified by the Krell? Morbius even jokes about it, "A commander doesn't need a high IQ, just a loud voice."

A sequel to that story could be most fascinating. The Talosians? Not so much. They're just the ultimate couch potatoes. (But I'll check out the books mentioned above.)
 
The 90s Marvel comics had a storyline that featured the Talosians, with Captain Pike returning.
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The Founders wanted to get rid of telepaths so sent an army of Jem'Hadar to attack Talos. The Talosians mindwiped them and kept them as slaves in order to start reclaiming the surface of the planet.:shrug:
 
That's because Spock doesn't know about the little top Capt. April keeps in his pocket...

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there was an issue of the 90s DC Star Trek series where Spock returns to Talos IV and discovers a new occupant. i won't spoil it. a rather good issue. i'm not sure what number though. all my old Trek comics are in storage.

*edit. found it through Memory Beta. Volume 2 #61

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I also highly recommend "The Final Mission" in DC Comics' Star Trek Annual #2 by Mike W. Barr and Dan Jurgens.

"Highly recommend"? That one wouldn't pass muster as a Saturday morning cartoon. DC vol. 2 #61 was better, but still not all that compelling. It treated the Talosians as AA members following Pike's 12-step program—as though a problem that could stagnate their entire civilization would be so simple to fix. And it did not dovetail with either of the TOS episodes, not really.

I haven't been able to track down the Marvel Trek story, but Marvel didn't do Trek all that well from what I've seen.

I've downloaded Burning Dreams from Amazon, but there are a few other books in my IN box first. That novel looks like it has more potential.
 
I've got that DC issue with Pike and Vina on Talos with Spock helping them to fight The Klingons who have come to learn the power of mind control! Good story and comic!
JB
 
Yes, HIGHLY recommend. It might shock you that some people have opinions that differ from your own. It's one of the best ST comics I've ever read.
I'm astonished, myself. I've heard tell of people who didn't like The Rocketeer. But I've dismissed them as fanciful imaginings after a night of hard drinking.
 
Annual #2 is a great comic. my copy is falling apart because i read it so much as a kid. i also really liked Annual #1 which was about Kirk's first mission as captain of the Enterprise.
 
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