Sell your Series VI idea in a paragraph...

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

Jack Bauer said:

Cary L. Brown said:

Jack Bauer said:You had me until Earth got shrunk and put in a box. Way too goofy!

Believe it or not, it's been done before.

Anybody here know what "Kandor" is? This is basically turning Earth in the Trek universe into a parallel of Superman's "Kandor"... the surviving Kryptonian city which was shrunk and kept in a bottle.

Yeah, I know all that. It's still goofy.

No argument there...

Just pointing out that the apparently innovative point of this story isn't all THAT innovative. It's a McGuffin that basically takes the "Babylon 5 - Crusade" plot and makes it even easier to work on TV... but it makes no real scientific, logical, or storytelling sense. It sure did make for some fun stories in 1960s and early 1970s Superman comics, though. "Nightwing and Flamebird to the rescue!"

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

Angel4576 said:
Star Trek: Federation

An intergalactic version of The West Wing situated within Starfleet HQ.....



Whatever they do next, it should be set around the TNG/DS9/VOY timeframe or just after.

With a good writer/producer, that could be great. But even the better "political" sci-fi shows (Babylon 5, DS9) tend not to do political life THAT well. A writer named Brian K Vaughan (writes for "Lost") for instance is doing a "superhero" version of The West Wing in a comic called Ex Machina (former superhero becomes Mayor of NYC), and doing it quite well. I dont think anyone involved with Trek now or in the past though has quite the gonads to do it right.

 

[Phily B]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

Stone_Cold_Sisko said:

Angel4576 said:
Star Trek: Federation

An intergalactic version of The West Wing situated within Starfleet HQ.....



Whatever they do next, it should be set around the TNG/DS9/VOY timeframe or just after.

With a good writer/producer, that could be great. But even the better "political" sci-fi shows (Babylon 5, DS9) tend not to do political life THAT well. A writer named Brian K Vaughan (writes for "Lost") for instance is doing a "superhero" version of The West Wing in a comic called Ex Machina (former superhero becomes Mayor of NYC), and doing it quite well. I dont think anyone involved with Trek now or in the past though has quite the gonads to do it right.

Battlestar Galactica and Ron Moore?

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

maybe. I like BSG, but I don't he writes the political office stuff that well, especially when compared to something like Sorkin-era West Wing.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

I think Star Trek: Federation as a strictly political based series wouldn't work that well on television. I think it would be better as a novel series...written by KRAD!

 

[Angel4576]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

^^ I was actually joking about Federation, but if someone could make it work, great!

As far as a new series goes, I'd like to see something around Section31, or a Starfleet Special Ops team. That would be both different and great!

 

[Jack Bauer]

Re: Star Trek: Dominion

Admiral_Young said:
I think Star Trek: Federation as a strictly political based series wouldn't work that well on television. I think it would be better as a novel series...written by KRAD!

Too bad Articles of the Federation didn't sell that well. It would've made an excellent ongoing novel series.

 

[TeutonicNights]

Re: Star Trek: Resurrection

more than one paragraph, but anyway:

STAR TREK FEDERATIONS

(alternatively: Star Trek Magellan)

Backstory:

In the 23rd century, the Federation has discovered an unstable wormhole in neutral territory.
This wormhole leads to the Large Magellanic cloud at the outskirts of the Galaxy. An area that is tremendously rich in valuable resources.
The Federation tries to keep this secret and manages to get about 200,000 Starfleet personnel on the other side to build up an infrastructure, as well as several exploration ships.

In the first 15 minutes of the pilot, Admiral Sulu arrives at a space station on the other side, is briefed on the events, when a Romulan task force that has secretly followed the Excelsior pops up. A huge battle ensues, in the course of which the entrance of the wormhole collapses and the space station is destroyed.

Premise:

In the 24th century, 15 years after Nemesis, a Federation Fleet is sent to reactivate the wormhole (based on Lenara Kahn's work), which is now at the edge of Fed-controlled territory following the Dominion war. Their mission is to investigate the whereabouts of the descendants of the Federation citizens on the other side and reestablish a Federation presence in the Magellanic cloud, to build a Starbase and explore.

Plot elements:

1) The Large Magellanic cloud turns out to be the new home of a "Federation" of precursor races, like the Iconians, The Preservers, The Tkon and others. This alliance has a doctrine that is very different from and incompatible with the Prime Directive and includes wiping "unfit" races off the face of the galaxy.
It also turns out, those races are involved in the evacuation of the Andromeda Galaxy (TOS,"by any other name"), choosing who may survive and who may not.
2) The new Federation ships have cloak and experimental Transwarp gate technology.
3) The descendants of the Feddies that were originally stranded in the Magellan cloud have split into several factions. The strongest being the "new Federation" that is an imperialist force and vassal of the precursor race alliance.
4) The wormhole is still acting unpredictably, cutting off access to the alpha quadrant for months at a time or more.
5) There is a main ship and crew, the USS Magellan, but also many semi-regular side characters like an Admiral leading the whole effort and being stationed at the new Stabase, as well as several other regular Starfleet ships.
6) two or three characters are taken from previous series (TNG, VOY, DS9), maybe Taurik, Kim and Worf.
7) An Energy shield blocks communication from and to the rest of the galaxy.
8 ) The precursor alliance sees the Federation as a threat to their plans, but also as a potential future member.
9) The entrance of the wormhole is also part of a controversy with the Breen, who are trying to get a piece of the action.

 

[Korczynski]

Re: Star Trek: Crisis of Humanity (working title)

Just curious Cary L. Brown - have you ever seen Blake's 7?

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: Star Trek: Crisis of Humanity (working title)

Korczynski said:
Just curious Cary L. Brown - have you ever seen Blake's 7?

Yep... and "The Prisoner" and "Babylon 5" and lots of other things.

I see what you're getting at. Of course, I'm not copying "Blake's 7" so much as I'm applying the same sort of things that happened to be present in Blake's 7 that led me to enjoy the show.

In case anyone's not familiar with this show... it's an older BBC Sci-fi show where a Federation had grown into an oppressive dictatorship, and a small group of prisoners escaped to become a rogue group of reluctant freedom fighters.

One of my all-time favorite quotes came from this series.

Kerr Avon: "I intend to live forever, or die trying."

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Star Trek: Crisis of Humanity (working title)

I think a good concept for a new enemy of the Federation set in the 25th century could be similar to the 'Terminator' films, a planet has been taken control over by an artificial intelligence and its main objective is the subjugation of all organic beings including the Dominion Founders. The AI conquers planets with ships completely controled by remote control. :thumbsup:

 

[Korczynski]

Re: Star Trek: Crisis of Humanity (working title)

The perfect society with the elimination of non-conformist elements rang very true to the Blake's 7 pilot. My question wasn't intended as a criticism, more an acknowledgement that there aren't any original ideas in story telling, but it is the way in which they are told that makes them interesting.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Star Trek: Crisis of Humanity (working title)

Star Trek: Final rest.

No SFX. Just Peter Jurassic and Stephen Furst as grave diggers for 40 minutes each episode digging a whole in a cemetery talking about the lives and antics of the semi famous Star Fleet officers and whatnot they're burying and how they impacted on the Federation at large and how they died saving the day. Maybe they drink of the job a little?

 

[Venardhi]

Re: Star Trek

My current 'dream series' would be as follows and would not explicitly ignore Enterprise but wouldn't exactly go out of it's way to fit with it:

A series set in the early 23rd century, spending as much time on a small exploratory and patrol ship as it does on the small outpost colony it sets out from. A way-station for the newly powerful federation that sits just a little too close to the Romulan NZ for comfort. A new colony, but an old ship, it is refit from the Romulan wars several decades earlier but still carries some of the old tech. The ship wouldn't do much adventure-of-the-week but would have specific missions most of the time, often dealing with the frontier politics of the federation and the increasing tensions with the rumbling Klingon empire. More of a slow-burn or cold war than outright battlefields of DS9. Political maneuvering and espionage would be the soup de jour. 2-5 episode arcs would link together into single or half-season arcs which would eventually link into multi-season ones. The gist of the story would be pre-planned for 7 seasons of 20 episodes.

 

[Stardate]

Re: Star Trek

Cary L. Brown said; Timeframe: Approximately 15 years post-Nemesis. The situation, at first, is very much as we last saw it.

Setting: Initially, primarily on a deep-space exploration vessel, just returning to Federation space after an extended "beyond the borders" cruise.

Cast: The specific characters have no "hooks" or "gimmicks." They are simply characters. And characters will come and go throughout the series.

One common factor all have is that they tend to be a bit "maverick" in their thoughts and behaviors. This can, in large part, be attributed to the fact that the captain is a bit of a nonconformist himself (similar, in that way, to Kirk). It's odd, however, that you could end up with a ship so filled with nonconformist types. In fact, it should be a matter of curiosity, even among the crew, that so many "talented troublemakers" were all sent away on an extended "out of contact" mission at the same time. This would, initially, be treated as a joke.

The First Season: The first series would be largely "conventional Star Trek." The ship and crew would be reassigned to routine duties (think most of TNG). There would be a few "off-kilter" discoveries and incidents, however, that would set off warning bells to the crew (and the the frequent viewer).

We'll get to know the characters. At least one major character will be transferred to HQ during this season (ideally, one of the more popular ones).

The first season will end up with the return of the departed character. Or the APPARENT return, as it will rapidly become evident that the returned character isn't quite the same person he or she was before

CANCELLED because of low Nelson rating

 

[cardinal biggles]

Re: Star Trek

Which is kind of sad, because whether you like the story or not, Cary has actually put a great deal of thought into his outline. There's a logical progression from beginning to end with the story, and a clear idea of what impact these events would have on the in-story universe. It's not a vague scenario or a premise built around a bunch of technobabble.

 

[Capt. Vulcan]

Re: Star Trek: Resurrection

Star Trek: Sector 001

Timeframe: Roughly 400 years after Nemesis.

The time in-between: Crap happens after the dominion warA cult of logic emerges and sort of becomes a major force within the quadrant. There are conflicts galore, the biggest one hinging on the destruction of the wormhole. The cult of logic wants it closed and thinks that objections based on religion are illogical. The worm hole is closed and the ensuing peace makes the logic cult super popular and powerful. There is a bloodless coup, and the logic jerks are now in power. Eventually, within the federation, those that choose not to follow the doctrine of logic are offered safety from the conflict in a sort of quarantine in the sector 001 exclusion zone. (Emotion is seen as an infectious sickness, hence the quarantine.) Large populations from Earth, Bajor, Betazed, and Trill space are relocated to a sector of space near the center of the federation.

As time goes on, restrictions for the quarantine become much harsher. Eventually all communication outside of the quarantine is closed and blocked by scrambling satellites. Even ships capable of more than warp 4 are banned. Those that do not follow regulations either disappear or are destroyed. The population adapts, and begins to flourish in isolation.

Time goes on and there is no communication from the outside. But there are occasionally reminders that they are being watched. A citizen builds a warp 5 ship and is destroyed. Malfunctioning ships that drift out of the quarantine are instantly destroyed. And this is how it goes for a long ass time.

Then one day a garbled communication is received from the outside. The first incoming transmission in 300 years. The transmission turns out to just be a random confirmation phrase spoken in Klingon. Investigations determine that one of the border satellites is malfunctioning. They wait assuming it will be repaired, but it never is. All out-going queries are met with silence. They test the waters with a probe, and it returns untouched.

The generations of isolation makes them cautious. They are 10 years away from the 1000th anneversary of the quarantine, and they embark on a 10 year plan to re-establish contact on the day of anneversary. (They're sort of superstitious and sentimental that way.) All the societies efforts are put into training an expedition crew and building a new state of the art ship.

Setting: So the show starts with the christening of the new enterprise. The captain is sort of a young brash type of the kirk mold that we're used to seeing. He's also one of the few pure humans left in the population. The first officer is a silver hared woman with a commanding presence. Think future janeway minus the crazy. Olive skin, hint of nose ridges, and a slightly pointy ears. She was originally intended to be captain, but steps down shortly before the launch day. (One of those mysteries that is revealed as the show progresses.) She swaps places with he first officer to guide the new captain along. The rest of the crew is your regular grab bag of senior crew. The best person possible in each field much like the TOS. With much trepidation, the crew is sent out the make first contact.

Basic idea for the show: Make it about exploration again without having to go back in time. The universe has changed a lot in 400 years. New species are introduced. Old species return changed. Other species have vanished. This crew sets out to figure out what has happened and to make contact with the other civilizations that are out there. They have no idea who the good guys are or who they can trust. All they have are their archives and instinct to guide them through their journey.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: Star Trek

cardinal biggles said:
Which is kind of sad, because whether you like the story or not, Cary has actually put a great deal of thought into his outline. There's a logical progression from beginning to end with the story, and a clear idea of what impact these events would have on the in-story universe. It's not a vague scenario or a premise built around a bunch of technobabble.

Thanks... I was looking at something that would be on the scale of a "Star Trek" version of "Lord of the Rings"... ie, something EPIC rather than a "planet of the week" series.

I keep getting two comments from people (outside this forum) who are Trek fans... "What's the ship look like" and "who are the characters and what's cool about them?"

On the other hand, the non-Trek fans I've run this past have pretty much all ignored that stuff, and wanted to know "what's it ABOUT?"

That's the thing... no good story is about "this kewl ship" or "this guy who's got a funky hairclip over his eyes." Geordi only became an interesting character once they started IGNORING his "hook" and just let him be an ordinary guy, right?

In a line... what's my proposal about? It's about mankind going back to being mankind as we know it and abandoning the inevitable slide into making ourselves obsolete that the TNG over-reliance on technology would cause. It's about going back to Trek being the HUMAN adventure and leaving "the technobabble adventure" behind.

The thing is, it does that, not by "rebooting" but by ADDRESSING points that've been made. (Granted, some folks might not like having Data, in corrupted form, be the villain of the piece... but I think that makes it all the more poignant.)

 

[Bomber]

Re: Star Trek: Resurrection

Star Trek: The Federation

I think we need to go forward about another 150 years. The Federation has brought the galaxy together slowly but surely for the past 300 years. Advances in warp technology (or it's future counterpart) now makes moving around our galaxy time consuming but possible. The same technology allows for realtime communication with the far reaches of the Federation. While there has been peace for the last 25 years since the inclusion of the Borg into the Federation (brought on by anti-assimilation technology) it wasn't easy and the Federation is stretched thin. A new race from outside the galaxy comes in and begins to pull one race after another into it's control, not through war, but with the promise of peace (think of the promises the Federation had regarding peace to acquire new members). The show won't deal with daily on ship duties, but more on the socio-political aspects of the federation and the continued loss of systems to this new "threat". Each lost system is a loss of resources needed to keep the Federation going. It would never be made clear whether the aliens are malevolent or benevolent because its better a mystery. Each episodic arc will be between Federation HQ and the newest planet to be wooed away. There would of course be some shiptime as each sector will have their patrol crews keeping piracy under control and such, but it wouldn't be the defining aspect of the show.

 

[Stardate]

Re: Star Trek: Resurrection

This New Star Trek(NST) series can be described as total re-imagined from TOS because it marked an entirely new direction for the Star Trek franchise, while still based on TOS crew and the original Utopian vision of Gene Roddenberry for Mankind. The New Star Trek Universe departs from the original in several ways. In terms of modernize style and storytelling. Firstly the back-round has changed drastically as their is much smaller Federation because their is much fewer sentient species then in old TOS Universe. In the new Star Trek "universe", humanity made first contact with alien race in the mid-21st century called ,, the Vulcan's,, who are more advanced and has faster-than-light space travel capabilities. As a result of Vulcan intervention and superior science, humanity largely overcame many Earth-bound frailties and vices with their help by the twenty-third century and are incorporated into the Federation. Take notice that this new re-imagined Star Trek takes into account from today perspective not 1960s. Thus their is no Eugene wars(Kahn either) or post World War III apocalyptic period but instead we have global warming, famine, overpopulation and war on Terror serving as back-round for this New Star Trek. New Star Trek stories usually depict the adventures of human and alien beings who serve in the Federation via Human Starfleet. Main cast are going to be Kirk as Captain, Iman(new female character of Arabic origin) as Number One, Spock as Science officer, McCoy as Chief medical officer, Sulu as helmsman, Anastasia Chekov as ensign, Scotty as Chief Engineer and Uhura as communications officer. Finally new character of Latino origin Tevez as Chief of security and tactical officer