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Time was, when TOS novels appeared monthly, I bought and read every one (never developed that deep a love for other series' tie ins, of which I own perhaps a dozen). I also bought (and still own) all the Bantam novels (even Vulcan! and Spock Messiah).

In the years since it came to seem to me that the wheat/chaff ratio in TOS novels had moved the wrong way, I've stumbled across a few "new" authors I swear by (Christopher Bennett comes to mind). But I know I've missed out a lot.

So I'm asking for reading recommendations...for which I'll state my tastes.

IMHO, every one of the following authors' works are great at best, quite passible at worst (call it the "City on the Edge of Forever" to "Elaan of Troyius" scale).

Marshak & Culbreath
John M. Ford
Vonda McIntyre
Diane Duane/Peter Morwood
Melinda Snodgrass
Jean Lorrah
Barbara Hambley
The Reeves-Stevens
Majliss Larson
David Dvorkin
Julia Ecklar
Peter David
Margaret Wander Bonanno

So what's a guy with those tastes missing out on?

(serious answers only, please; i.e., not Greg Cox)
 
Having listed authors whose work I personally liked, I thought I'd mention an author whose work I personally don't, whose works many (apparently) DO like. Not a diss, per say; a capsule review, for to guide the choices of people responding to my request ("He likes these sorts of novels, but not these, so...").

Uh...are you Greg Cox? (I invite discussion by PM if so of my issues not with writing style but plot decisions)
 
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Hi Greg! I should say up front that I know you only from Assignment Eternity; all I "know" of your Khan novels I heard second-hand.

Out-of-universe, IMHO the latter's rationalizing of the Eugenics Wars having taken place in our universe is brilliant (can't speak to the presentation, since I left them unread).

To me (and I daresay to you, given your doubtless expert knowledge of TOS et al), it's undeniable the ST timeline split off from ours at some point (perhaps a VERY long time ago, given Kirk's orders in re: quasars etc.). But to date...and probably forever...no officially licensed product has recognized this, which is totally understandable.

I'm curious as to your take on this ("it's my own invention") take on the "real" DY-100/Botany Bay (copied from its post at https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/rea...ly-me-to-the-moon.311049/page-2#post-14106268

Who used the Botany Bay? The most powerful Eurasian tyrant. What was it? A modified DY-100 class, not designed nor intended for use as a sleeper ship. Who then would have built those, given Khan's ready access to one? The Soviets. For what purpose?

The first real information about the Soviet manned moon landing program was out by [the time of the Smithsonian's 1990s ST exhibit]. I therefore took their "Saturn-ski" booster, the N-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(r...d_at_the_Baikonur_Cosmodrome_in_late_1967.jpg

and imagined eight of its first and second stages wrapped about a hexagonal shroud slanting outward from a DY-100's 16 modules (above which a slab-sided cone rose to where the nosecone's curve begins). Inside that nosecone I put an Estes Mars Lander

https://www.apogeerockets.com/Rocket_Kits/Skill_Level_4_Kits/Mars_Lander

(distorted, but not "redesigned," to fit the space) which doubled as a single-stage reusable lander once its time as a 100-odd-seat crew escape capsule was over.

I then massed "my" DY-100 via volume calculation and weight-per-cubic of the Soviets' Salyut space stations.

Beneath the DY, inside the ring of N-1 boosters, lay a Sovietized version of Krafft Ehricke's Nexus SSTO design of 1964:

https://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/ev3n1.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_Nexus
https://up-ship.com/blog/?p=7786

which I figured (in the TOS timeline, in which nuke bomb satellites had flown in '68) the Soviets could pull off by--was it the late 1980s I posited? I think so.

Finally, knowing the mass, thrust, and burn times of the N-1 stages and "my" Nexus-ski -- but not knowing calculus -- I rough-calculated the boosters' performance in five-second increments, changing the gross mass from the start of one period to the next, and using Velocity = acceleration x time to (roughly) derive the final velocity.

Which was that of interplanetary injection. I'd "designed" a ground-launched (inspired by Sternbach's ST Spaceflight Chronology painting and Margaret Wander Bonanno's Strangers from the Sky reference to a 2nd DY-100 beside an empty underground launch rack) 300-odd-foot long modular manned interplanetary spaceship...Deep Canon's DY-100.

Comments?
 
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See also (if you're curious) my post # 27 from the same thread, in which I rationalize how TMP had six Voyagers (suggesting a greater-then-real NASA) and a shuttle orbiter (implying the real world's designed-by-committee mankiller). Teaser image:

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serious answers only, please; i.e., not Greg Cox

My beef was with your suggestion that, somehow, Greg Cox was not a “serious” answer. Seemed insulting to someone I consider quite serious.

But then you also list M&C as favorites, and I consider their books among the worst Star Trek titles ever published, so clearly mileage varies… :shrug:
 
Oh no...I meant no diss on Cox with the word "serious," which I intended as a modifier to the word "suggestions" (as in, "He likes these author's books, therefore he'll like Cox's, which are sort of like theirs"...only they're not).

In re: your distaste for M&C, I refer you to their short story "Surprise!" (ST New Voyages 2). If that's not the best piece of "professional fanfic" ever written, I'll eat my VERY not-mint fan editions of the ST Concordance.

BTW, Greg, I've just begun a reread of Assignment: Eternity, which sure has a helluva beginning. And as you well know, no reason whatsoever to care a particular guy didn't (on first reading) say of that book "I want more." Your record of publishing speaks for itself. (although I may have to nudge you via PM in re: "my" DY and Enterprise shuttle)

(still can't master the "quote" button. Gotta look at the FAQ)
 
My beef was with your suggestion that, somehow, Greg Cox was not a “serious” answer. Seemed insulting to someone I consider quite serious.

But then you also list M&C as favorites, and I consider their books among the worst Star Trek titles ever published, so clearly mileage varies… :shrug:

Yeah, I'm afraid when I think of M&C I think of the worse books ever written in Star Trek history, particularly the Phoenix novels. I got to the point with Fate of the Phoenix I didn't even care how it was going to end. But as in all things individual tastes vary.

And Greg Cox is one of my favorite authors as well. To this day I continue to recommend his 3rd Khan novel, To Reign in Hell to any fan of TWOK. One of my all time favorites. I loved how he reconciled things between "Space Seed" and TWOK, including some things I didn't even realize, LOL. And of course his Foul Deeds Will Rise took place between TFF and TUC, a period of time that few novels touch on surprisingly. I hope maybe Christopher will continue his Ex Machina continuity novels and maybe move past TFF at some point as well.

One novel I always throw out there whenever one of these questions comes up is Chain of Attack by the late Gene DeWeese. It doesn't often come up in others 'best of' lists but it was the first novel I read that I absolutely loved. I read it over a weekend, which is rare for me. It usually takes me about 3 to 4 weeks to read a MMPB novel. I loved that they get flung in a far off galaxy (so no Starfleet makes sense), and it has an ominous and foreboding tone to start, and Kirk has to play the part of a diplomat in addition to being a soldier. Really Kirk at his best.

Also, while I've not always been a huge fan of Diane Carey's novels (they're ok, but her books are sometimes hard to follow), but I actually did like her Dreadnought and Battlestations! The latter is actually the first original Star Trek novel I ever read. I was just getting into Star Trek at the time. Carey actually did a pretty good job of creating an original protagonist with Lt. Piper while avoiding any Mary Sue issues. I never felt Kirk, Spock and co. were lessened to make Piper look better for instance. They are still important and key characters to the story. Dreadnought should be read first though because Battlestations! is actually a sequel (I didn't realize that at the time).

Another I'd highly recommend is the novelization for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier by JM Dillard. Perhaps unusual since the movie isn't the highest rated film in the franchise. But she does lift the story up. It's still not perfect, I mean, she is limited by the movie script itself. But she brings it up as much as possible and addresses some weaknesses in the movie.

I also always liked another novel by Gene DeWeese, Engines of Destiny. I know some don't like this novel as much but I've always been fascinated by stories about if you can change history, would you? What kinds of unforeseen consequences would there be. In this story Scotty goes back in time from the 24th century after his 'resurrection' to save Kirk from the Enterprise-B. He thinks he addressed everything because he makes sure he rescues him just after he saves the ship but in a split second before the hull is ruptured leading to 'his death'. But then he is obviously not there for Picard in the Nexus in Generations, and that also has affects on First Contact.

If you like "The City on the Edge of Forever" I'd recommend DRGIII's Crucible trilogy. It centers of McCoy, Spock and Kirk (one for each novel) and it focuses on the consequences of what happened in the episode. Especially interesting is in the McCoy novel, we get a glimpse of the 'changed' history when McCoy rescues Edith Keeler. He lives a whole life in that altered timeline and McCoy slowly starts to realize things have changed significantly as WWII stretches into the 1950s.
 
Your list already has most of the notable Trek novelists of the pre-TNG era. From the 90’s, I would recommend LA Graf, and second recommendations for Diane Carey’s TOS novels (only her TOS novels. Didn’t like her other stuff) and Gene Deweese. JM Dillard and Brad Ferguson. And the “Lost Years” series (Dillard, Ferguson and Graf, so I kind of covered it already.)
 
So it appears that the OP is no longer a member of the board, so I am going to close the thread. If anyone sees a pressing reason as to why it should be reopened, please PM me, and we can discuss.

I guess there's not that much point in addressing the following, but it should probably be said, in case any new posters with any thoughts similar to the OP's happen by...

(although I may have to nudge you via PM in re: "my" DY and Enterprise shuttle)

Please don't harass the authors. (Or, you know... *anyone*, really.) They are here on their own time, for their own enjoyment, just like the rest of us. There is absolutely no requirement for anyone to read or comment on your personal pet Star Trek theories, or ship designs, or whatever, if they don't want to. So please don't hound them, either in thread or via PM.

I know all the forum regulars, and in fact probably 99.9% of the membership of the board at large, already know this, but since the OP went there, I thought it should be addressed in case any new members read the thread and get similar ideas.

And now the thread can be put to rest.
 
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