Security Chief?

[Red Ranger]

People,

Here's a minor thought. Every other ST show had a security chief as a regular, while the TOS movies had Chekov in that role. Would you like to see (a) a new character as security chief in the TOS-inspired new movies, or (b) just have Sulu double as security chief, as a nod to "Mirror, Mirror"?

Red Ranger

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

TOS had any number of security chiefs, so ST XI could just make someone up and not violate continuity one bit. I would rather they not use Sulu, since only his Mirror version was a security officer.

 

[[[[MAC]]]]

If they really want to give the nod to the original they should have several
different Security Chiefs over the course of the movie - and have them keep
getting killed off so that Kirk has to appoint/promote a new one each time.
They could show the office spaces where the security section works and how
they get nervous when they hear that Kirk is on his way down after the last
chief gets killed knowing that he's going to pick the replacement.

MAC

 

[scotthm]

Red Ranger said:
Would you like to see (a) a new character as security chief in the TOS-inspired new movies, or (b) just have Sulu double as security chief, as a nod to "Mirror, Mirror"?

I don't see any need for Sulu to be in charge of security; he already has a job as helmsman.

We know there are security personnel among the crew, so the existence of a chief of security is assumed. The story should dictate whether we meet this supervisor or not; I have no preference.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

They could really stir things up and use Ingrit Tomson.

 

[MadBaggins]

Michael Dorn as the security chief.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Thatd be nice, Id like to see him out of makeup again.

 

[Holytomato]

Who's Ingrit Tomson?

I vote for Nyota Uhura!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Holytomato said:
Who's Ingrit Tomson?

She is the security chief in a few of the TOS novels. I don't know how multiple authors managed to get away with using her, given that asshat Richard Arnold and his interference.

 

[MANT!]

My Choice...

 

[Therin of Andor]

Babaganoosh said:
She is the security chief in a few of the TOS novels. I don't know how multiple authors managed to get away with using her, given that asshat Richard Arnold and his interference.

Ingrit disappeared as soon as Richard started to approve manuscripts for Gene Roddenberry.

 

[Red Ranger]

Well, as long as Ingrit Thomson was mentioned, I'd rather see Mandala Flynn, the former border patrol officer introduced in "The Entropy Effect" by Vonda McIntyre! Or, bring back Giotto! -- RR

 

[ancient]

I don't think it makes sense for a helmsman to double as a security chief, especially with 430 crew-members.

I mean, it may look like he's just sitting there, but he's kinda busy flying the ship...

 

[Red Ranger]

ancient said:
I don't think it makes sense for a helmsman to double as a security chief, especially with 430 crew-members.

I mean, it may look like he's just sitting there, but he's kinda busy flying the ship...

Well, Spock doubled as science officer and first officer. It seems that in the 23rd century Starfleet, that was more common than in the 24th century Starfleet, where officers had more specialized tasks and didn't seem to double up. -- RR

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Red Ranger said:

ancient said:
I don't think it makes sense for a helmsman to double as a security chief, especially with 430 crew-members.

I mean, it may look like he's just sitting there, but he's kinda busy flying the ship...

Well, Spock doubled as science officer and first officer. It seems that in the 23rd century Starfleet, that was more common than in the 24th century Starfleet, where officers had more specialized tasks and didn't seem to double up. -- RR

Well, the duties of Executive Officer and Science Officer seldom conflict.

As XO, you're responsible for taking command if the captain is injured or killed, sure. You're also responsible for making sure all the little minutiae of daily ship operations get done (ie, the junior staff officers report to the Captain but are actually SUPERVISED by the XO... the personnel officer, the logistics officer, etc). In other words, most of the XO's duties are "boring routine stuff" that the Captain doesn't want to do.

It's not hard to imagine Chief Science Officer and XO being held at the same time, or for that matter Chief Helmsman or Chief Communications Officer at the same time as XO. But you couldn't practically be both Chief Helmsman and Chief Science Officer, because both have real-time duties that have to be done at the same time.

Doubling up Helm and Security would work... as long as you were willing to bet that you'd never have any security crises and have a need to fly the ship at the same time.

Anyone wanna take that bet?

 

[[[[MAC]]]]

Red Ranger said:

ancient said:
I don't think it makes sense for a helmsman to double as a security chief, especially with 430 crew-members.

I mean, it may look like he's just sitting there, but he's kinda busy flying the ship...

Well, Spock doubled as science officer and first officer. It seems that in the 23rd century Starfleet, that was more common than in the 24th century Starfleet, where officers had more specialized tasks and didn't seem to double up. -- RR

Well... Spock was kind of special, so maybe he could walk
and chew gum at the same time.

Also, although we did see him in the lab doing science stuff
occasionally, most often he was on the bridge at the Library
Computer station where he could orchestrate all of the work
that was done by his science specialists through out the whole
ship and he could still squeeze in setting up a duty roster
between other tasks when no one was looking.

Finally, he was Vulcan and didn't need much sleep. Maybe he
just worked double shifts all the time and actually did do two
full jobs.

MAC

 

[Red Ranger]

Well, we see that both Sulu and Chekov in TOS not only fly and plot courses, but are also in charge of the weapons, Sulu the phasers and Chekov the photon torpedoes, as far as I remember. So I can see how as a tactical officer, Sulu is already doing double duty. Surely he could order the security staff from his console on the bridge, perhaps like Spock would monitor other science officers' research duties. -- RR

 

[Wowbagger]

Ug. Couldn't stand Mandala Flynn. But I know her, so I'd be cool with her return because of the pure fan service factor.

My only criterion for Enterprise security chief is that he/she must be killed, painfully, and preferably early in the film.

 

[Dorothy_Zbornak]

We only notice the absence of a Security Chief in TOS because we're so used to the Chief being on the bridge of starships (Yar, Worf, Tuvok, Reed). On TOS we only saw security personnel when they were needed either for a landing party or during shipboard crises.

Also, there was never any dedicated Tactical Officer on the bridge in TOS - Sulu handled the weapons from the helm.

 

[[[[MAC]]]]

Dorothy_Zbornak said:
We only notice the absence of a Security Chief in TOS because we're so used to the Chief being on the bridge of starships (Yar, Worf, Tuvok, Reed). On TOS we only saw security personnel when they were needed either for a landing party or during shipboard crises.

Also, there was never any dedicated Tactical Officer on the bridge in TOS - Sulu handled the weapons from the helm.

Boy, you got that backwards...

I don't notice a lack of a Security Chief on the bridge of
the Original E because of all those other people on the
later ships...

...I noticed all those other superfluous people on the
bridges of all those later ships that weren't necessary on
the real Enterprise.

As for a Tactical Officer, well, I guess back in the day
they trained officers like Sulu to walk and chew gum at
the same time...

MAC